Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Belarusian/Belorussian translation

Hello Yury,

2011.03.04 08:56, Yury Tarasievich rašė:
> Could you clarify, where is indicated *what*? That the translation is 
> maintained without Pootle? I didn't see (or hear from you, for that 
> matter) about the Pootle use being mandatory. Or that the translation 
> is included officially? I'd guess that was obvious, from the fact the 
> builds are generated.

* LibreOffice currently compiles all languages available in OOo, even 
without a LibO localization lead. So, existance of be-BY builds does NOT 
prove that the team for Belarusian exists.
* Pootle is not mandatory, but it reflects the statistics pretty well. 
And statistics for Belarusian are that lo-build-be-BY.po was at 0%. 
Maybe you had translated something, but we certainly were not aware of 
it. Well, unless Timar was, which I don't think is the case either.
* We keep asking every new team to indicate their existance on 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams and whether or not 
they want to use Pootle on 
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3_3. For be-BY, none 
of these pages were filled. The reason could be that your team has been 
around from the very beginning of LibO, but OTOH, there's been no 
indication that your team exists or way to evaluate your contribution 
because so far there seems to be none (except for that wiki page).

> On 03/04/2011 08:31 AM, Sophie Gautier wrote:
> ...
> > I'm sorry if we made a mistake, but where is it indicated?
> ...
> > It seems you didn't update these informations on the wiki here:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Language_Teams
> > and here:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3_3
>
> Also, where did that file go: 
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/index.php?title=BE/Main_Page
>
> I distinctly remember Mikalai translating it and me revising it.

It's been moved to http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page/be. 
However, the structure of Main_Page has changed a lot since it was first 
created. You should probably update it (or ask for its deletion, if you 
don't plan to maintain wiki translation).

> You also say:
>
> > Please, understand that it's very difficult for us to follow each
> > language team if this information is not up to date.
> > Sasha request an access to translate the help files, could you see with
> > him if he can help your team here?
>
> Everybody is free to contribute, even if not in Pootle. Several people 
> contributed to the translation over the years.
> The problems I see now w/r to the Belarusian translation included in 
> the LibreOffice are:
>
> 1) How Sasha (or anybody, for that matter) was given *admin* access 
> w/r to *anything at all* in the Belarusian translation without me not 
> even getting a ping, not from Sasha, nor from anybody from LO team? 
> Did everybody look at the existing be-BY builds and somehow not notice 
> that the builds material had to come from somewhere?

See above. Your team was nonexistant from our point of view. We can't 
know that a team exists if that is not indicated anywhere and it is a 
sleeper team. We're only human, after all.

> 2) What've actually changed in the list of teams, besides Sasha's 
> email put in the contact for the "Belarusian team"?

You can look at the history of that page. There was no Belarusian row in 
that table previously, so Sasha's added it.

> 3) You personally requested my approval for the inclusion of the be-BY 
> translation. So, my name is already linked with the material in 
> question. How come Andras wasn't consulting the registry or something? 
> That's, like, expected elementary book-keeping, *even* if there are 
> lots of languages.

I'm not Sophie for that regard, so it's only my opinion, but I don't 
think that asking for inclusion of your translation automatically makes 
you a team manager. You have to show some interest in maintaining it, 
and I guess you didn't (or it wasn't obvious).

> Also, on list I've seen Sasha expressing the wish to translate 
> "something", help wasn't mentioned.
>
> I'd expect the LO Team to correct this situation.

I'd expect you to contact Sasha and try to resolve this situation inside 
your team(s) first. Have you at least tried contacting him before 
scolding us?

Best regards, and don't take my harsh tone too personally. It's only as 
harsh as your own message.
Rimas

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