Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How to handle regressions

Hi :)
Aww heck that'd be brilliant!  If TDF could take Thunderbird under their
wing instead of leaving it with Mozilla.

Mozilla don't seem to appreciate just how many people rely on Thunderbird.
It's the best OpenSource email client around, in the opinion of a huge
percentage of people apparently.

People, and articles have often said that LibreOffice could never compete
with MSO because it lacks an email client.  Completely missing the point
that so many great email clients integrate so well with LibreOffice.  Maybe
if there was a kinda default one and if that was as great as Thunderbird is
then it'd cut a lot of detractors off at the knees.

Sorry!  I do agree with your main points!
Regards from
Tom :)


On 3 October 2014 13:16, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@libertytrek.org> wrote:

> Fair enough. I guess that belief was a remnant from the Sun/Openoffice
> days.
>
> My apologies for a huge, incorrect assumption.
>
> Also, I just realized there is a distinction that I have been making,
> but that may have been missed and so may be causing a disconnect.
>
> That distinction is, code that someone writes and contributes - like,
> for example, this new 'Inline editing' feature for Input fields' - vs
> pre-existing/old legacy code and/or bugs that is/was already there, long
> before any new volunteers come along.
>
> In most of the projects I use and interact with, bugs are taken very
> seriously, and fixed as soon as they are verified (after being
> reported), with a 'thank you very much for reporting this!' response...
>
> It is *only* enhancements/feature requests that get the *very* valid and
> legitimate 'patches welcome!' and/or 'we will happily add that feature
> for you for $##### bucks.' responses...
>
> Libreoffice, and Mozilla Thunderbird are the only projects I use and
> interact with on a daily basis that seem to act totally contrary to
> this, and constantly play the 'fix it yerself/pay someone to fix it for
> you' cards. With Thunderbird, it is really only because they simply
> don't have enough manpower (2 or 3 devs for the entire project, I
> believe), and they are dealing with a ton of pre-existing/old legacy
> code/bugs, and I totally get it. I also totally get it with respect to
> the same code in Libreoffice, and from what I understand, that it is a
> huge monster of a code base.
>
> But all of that is really orthogonal to my main point...
>
> Software developers, whether volunteer or not, should have *some* level
> of responsibility and obligation on their part to fix bugs they
> themselves introduce into code they write. I know I would if I were one,
> and I know I do for anything that I do build.
>
> They write it - they should own it.
>
> I simply don't understand how anyone could believe otherwise.
>
> On 10/2/2014 5:57 PM, Joel Madero <jmadero.dev@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Um - well two points:
> > 1. None of the paid developers are paid by TDF - we have 0 paid
> > developers on staff.
> > 2. Most commits are still done by volunteers and many are done by paid
> > developers on their free time (ie. when they are volunteering).
>
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