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Fair enough. I guess that belief was a remnant from the Sun/Openoffice days.

My apologies for a huge, incorrect assumption.

Also, I just realized there is a distinction that I have been making,
but that may have been missed and so may be causing a disconnect.

That distinction is, code that someone writes and contributes - like,
for example, this new 'Inline editing' feature for Input fields' - vs
pre-existing/old legacy code and/or bugs that is/was already there, long
before any new volunteers come along.

In most of the projects I use and interact with, bugs are taken very
seriously, and fixed as soon as they are verified (after being
reported), with a 'thank you very much for reporting this!' response...

It is *only* enhancements/feature requests that get the *very* valid and
legitimate 'patches welcome!' and/or 'we will happily add that feature
for you for $##### bucks.' responses...

Libreoffice, and Mozilla Thunderbird are the only projects I use and
interact with on a daily basis that seem to act totally contrary to
this, and constantly play the 'fix it yerself/pay someone to fix it for
you' cards. With Thunderbird, it is really only because they simply
don't have enough manpower (2 or 3 devs for the entire project, I
believe), and they are dealing with a ton of pre-existing/old legacy
code/bugs, and I totally get it. I also totally get it with respect to
the same code in Libreoffice, and from what I understand, that it is a
huge monster of a code base.

But all of that is really orthogonal to my main point...

Software developers, whether volunteer or not, should have *some* level
of responsibility and obligation on their part to fix bugs they
themselves introduce into code they write. I know I would if I were one,
and I know I do for anything that I do build.

They write it - they should own it.

I simply don't understand how anyone could believe otherwise.

On 10/2/2014 5:57 PM, Joel Madero <> wrote:
Um - well two points:
1. None of the paid developers are paid by TDF - we have 0 paid
developers on staff.
2. Most commits are still done by volunteers and many are done by paid
developers on their free time (ie. when they are volunteering).

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