Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

Hi :)
Wrt formats i thought Italo came up with the excellent announcement stating something like
"other formats" or "popular formats" or "widely used formats" or "all non-native formats"
Grrr, i can't quite remember but it neatly covered pretty much everything and was around the time 
it had become clear that MS had 
*  dropped support for formats that LO still covered and 
*  had never supported stuff that LO was also happy to read.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  






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> From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <webmaster@krackedpress.com>
> To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org 
> Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 17:04
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
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> On 05/10/2013 10:44 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
> > Le 10/05/13 09:52 AM, Tom Davies a écrit :
> > > Hi :)
> > > I was just saying that if you try to sell a used car then pointing at 
> > > the flat tyres and saying the wheels are great is not likely to 
> > > result in a good sale.
> > >
> > > Selling Base for what it is good for shows people how much more 
> > > advanced and powerful LibreOffice is.
> > >
> > > Trying to sell Base for what Access is good for (and the 1 thing that 
> > > Base is bad at) is a bit dismal.  It underplays our hand. Why compete 
> > > with MS when we can change the conversation and by doing so be sooo 
> > > far ahead.
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
> >
> > Tom,
> >
> > first off, Base is being worked on by at least one dev. Unfortunately, 
> > it is not an attractive code that invites people to work on. So, one 
> > of our jobs as marketers is try to attract more competent devs to help 
> > out with the Base code ... this will be done in our "Developer 
> > brochure" ... we can at least help the dev group in trying to secure 
> > devs for the Base module.
> >
> > Second, we need to stop thinking of LibreOffice competing with MSO. As 
> > far as we are concerned, we are now the leading, driving, and bleeding 
> > edge of the office suite development. MSO can now try to follow in our 
> > footsteps and try to compete with us. We should not be looking at 
> > ourselves as anything but this. And, no, I am not talking from the 
> > point of view of Base, but from the point of view of the whole 
> > LibreOffice project.
>
> There has been at least one article about MS wanting to do a release 
> cycle like LO does, every few months for the next version of their 
> different software lines.  I think people are getting tired waiting 1 or 
> 2 years for the next update to MSO and their other products.
>
> Well, LO [and FOSS] has made that "every few months" release plan work.
>
> As I was told, for the USA, MS is too ingrained in our "lives" to ever 
> be replaced.  Well That mindset has been changed in Europe. Hopefully it 
> will be in the US.
>
> SO, no we are not competing against MSO, per say, but we have a free 
> product that will never cost them to buy/rent/etc.  We have the premier 
> office suite in the open source community, for those who have decided 
> that looking towards open source might be a good idea over the 
> proprietary options.  The US government is moving towards open source, 
> so one day they will be looking at an open source office package.
>
> WE have a product that works on Windows, Mac and Linux.  There is a 
> movement towards an Android version.
>
> No we are not competing with MSO, we have by passed them and went on to 
> be the cutting edge office package that introduces new and improved 
> option every few months, not every few years.
>
> > Certainly MSO is out there, but we need more of a "forward looking 
> > philosophy" rather than a "looking over our shoulder" or "competing 
> > with ..." philosophy.
> >
> > So, as Tim has pointed out, this is not the place to debate the 
> > virtues of the Base code. I see on the users' list that some people 
> > use Base as it is, and, not as a front-end to any other sql-database. 
> > When they have problems, bugs, we, as LibreOffice members need to 
> > direct them to the Bugzilla reporting and in time Base will improve. 
> > But for now, from what I can see, some are using Base with success and 
> > not complaining about it.
> >
> > So, as you can read from the text in the brochure, the Base section 
> > does not mention any "competing with Access" and I would suggest that 
> > we NOT say that it competes with Access in any of our brochures.
>
> We need to work on this to have some better text better alluding to MSO 
> formats without saying so.
>
> "For moreextended interoperability,LibreOffice supports document formats 
> of many other softwaresuites, from the most current to numerous legacy 
> formats."
>
>
> Maybe "most current, and popular, to numerous legacy formats" would work.
>
> I do not want to state MSO file formats, but we do support them to 
> various degrees.  Support for MSO 2013 version of OOXML is not all there 
> YET, but it will get better over the next few months.  Since '07 and '10 
> does not completely support '13 OOXML, we do not need to talk about that 
> either in this brochure.
>
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Marc
>
>
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