Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information

Hi :)
So when people suffer data-loss due to using the internal back-end what is the Users List supposed 
to say?  I guess we just blame it on marketing not knowing about a known issue.  
Regards from 
Tom :)  





> ________________________________
> From: Jean Weber <jeanweber@gmail.com>
> To: Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> 
> Cc: "marketing@global.libreoffice.org" <marketing@global.libreoffice.org> 
> Sent: Friday, 10 May 2013, 5:21
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
>
>
> Tom,
> Base works fine for the many users who don't do anything more than dead simple stuff, so it's not 
> a "horribly broken nightmare" for most people. Of course, for those affected, that's no doubt 
> true. 
>
> But give it a rest; by continually carrying on about it on the marketing list you accomplish 
> nothing other than annoying people, most of whom can't solve the problem anyway.
>
> Marc, I think your phrasing is good. The "also" definitely is appropriate and needed.
>
> --Jean
>
> On 10/05/2013, at 14:08, Tom Davies <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > Yes, i took "also" out because when used with the internal back-end Base is a horribly broken 
> > nightmare.  It's only when used with an external back-end, such as an up-to-date untweaked 
> > version of HsqlDB (rather than the ancient mangled one inside Base) or even better with MySql / 
> > MariaDB or PostgreSQL or others that Base really becomes quite powerful.  
> >
> > If i was trying to sell a car i wouldn't start the sales-pitch by pointing out the flat wheels 
> > and rattling exhaust-pipe!  
> > Regards from 
> > Tom :)  
> >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com>
> > > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org 
> > > Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013, 21:49
> > > Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry for getting back to this so late.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the input Italo. I'll change the text. I also like Tom's 
> > > version but I think without the "also" it sounds as if Base does not 
> > > come as an installed database. If we were to put "also" back in, then 
> > > the impression is that Base is an installed database but could also act 
> > > as a frontend to the databases you mention.
> > >
> > > How about if we had:
> > >
> > > "Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. 
> > > It is a valuable and powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice 
> > > applications.  Base can also be a good front-end to many 
> > > enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL."
> > >
> > > Would this sound better? I think with the "also" included it clarifies 
> > > what Base is all about, but, mentioning the MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL 
> > > also shows that it is extensible.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > > Le 06/05/13 12:00 PM, Tom Davies a écrit :
> > > > Hi :)
> > > > +1
> > > > Perhaps remove "also" as Base is at it's strongest when used as a front-end.  It seems to be  
> > > > the default way of using Base and it's much easier to get Base to co-operate with that than it 
> > > > is with Access.  So, perhaps
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also
> > > > work as a desktop publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful 
> > > > enough to create complete books with contents,
> > > > diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your message, while
> > > > Writer will make it look great.
> > > >
> > > > Base is a desktop database
> > > > designed to meet the needs of most users.  It is a valuable and powerful
> > > > asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications.  Base can  be a good front-end to many 
> > > > enterprise-class databases such as MySql/MariaDB or PostgreSQL.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards from
> > > >
> > > > Tom :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Italo Vignoli <italo.vignoli@gmail.com>
> > > > > To: marketing@global.libreoffice.org
> > > > > Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013, 16:30
> > > > > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Brochure-type: General Information
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Il 06/05/2013 17:18, Charles-H. Schulz ha scritto:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Italo?
> > > > >
> > > > > I would change slightly the Writer text and tone down the Base one.
> > > > >
> > > > > My proposal:
> > > > >
> > > > > Writer is a full-featured word processing application, which can also work as a desktop 
> > > > > publishing tool. It's simple enough to use for a quick memo, but powerful enough to create 
> > > > > complete books with contents, diagrams and indexes. You're free to concentrate on your 
> > > > > message, while Writer will make it look great.
> > > > >
> > > > > Base is a desktop database designed to meet the needs of most users. It is a valuable and 
> > > > > powerful asset to link to the other LibreOffice applications. Base can also be used as a 
> > > > > front-end to many enterprise-class databases.
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vignoli@gmail.com
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> > >
> > >
> > > -- 
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