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On 01/31/2013 04:08 PM, Heiko Tietze wrote:
Wolfgang Keller wrote
MS has always been at the antipode of ergonomics. And they keep moving
in the *wrong* direction. "Ribbons" ... are just the latest cerebral
emanating from their "product managers' "brains".

BTW: The younger (LO) users are the more they accept Ribbons [1]. Ribbon
controls intend to show all at once, as Astron says. Additionally, MS wants
to get rid of the main menu for touch screen use. The trade-off is that
some, seldom used function were "menuized", ie. placed into pulldown
controls. But those menus thwart the idea of a toolbar: fast access to a few
functions. The idea behind is nevertheless worth to discuss, but for the
purpose of strategical decisions (where LO wants to go) and not singular
improvements (simpler toolbar).

A question about ribbons - Is there any data differentiating the type of user and their preferences? My thought is that users who heavily use software may prefer menus over ribbons while those who do not use the software much prefer ribbons. And this general trend would true for all types of software. The age may be skewing the results and including more casual users in the younger cohort. The 50+ users did not grow up with computers and many of these casual users do not like to use computers at all and probably would never use anything they did not use at work (eg Windows and MS Office).

I find the personality of the user vs ribbon or menu interesting.

Wolfgang Keller wrote
It has been proven over and over again that "separator" lines do
*NOT* "separate". They effectively do the *opposite*, besides adding
elements that are just confusing for the eyes.
Please prove this statement. At least separator's appearance should be
defined by the theme.

Stefan Knorr (Astron)-2 wrote
I have uploaded the file to
Thanks a lot!

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