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Hi Wolfgang, all,

On 30 January 2013 18:37, Wolfgang Keller <> wrote:
MS has always been at the antipode of ergonomics. And they keep moving
in the *wrong* direction. "Ribbons" as well as the totally ridiculous
Windows 8 GUI - try to accomplish *any* work with it, you'll rather end
up tossing the screen through the closed window of your office - are
just the latest cerebral flatulances emanating from their "product
managers' "brains".

Wow, you're noticing you're quite harsh there, right?
I don't think you're entirely justified here: Microsoft do a lot of
user testing and research, even if their execution is occasionally
lacking a bit (as with Office 2007 and even more so with Windows 8).
Also, the concepts behind the Ribbons and the Metro/"Windows-8-style"
are completely different – the former shows everything at once to ease
creation of content, the latter tries to hide everything that would
distract from consuming content.
So your observation that you can't really work with Windows 8 actually
means that its designers have mostly reached their goal. It's of
course debatable if that's a useful goal – especially considering how
the Windows–Office tandem used to be Microsoft's moneymaker. Note how
Office is still stuck on the desktop of Windows 8 (save for One Note).

*Never* take products made by managed corporations as examples to

I am not sure this attitude helps.

Use *exclusively* whitespace to group objects.

That's probably a good suggestion, but where do we take all that white
space from?


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