Re: Brazilian domains (was: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations)

2011/5/10 Charles-H. Schulz <charles.schulz@documentfoundation.org>

> Hello Paulo,
>
> Le Mon, 9 May 2011 18:17:00 -0300,
> Paulo de Souza Lima <paulo.s.lima@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> > 2011/5/9 Florian Effenberger <floeff@documentfoundation.org>
> >
> > > Hello,
> > Hello.
> >
> >
> > > I'd like to add a few thoughts of mine to this thread.
> > >
> > > I am very sorry to hear what happened and still is happening in
> > > Brazil. To me, as for the whole Steering Committee, it has always
> > > been very important to be not on one side. It is sad for me to see
> > > that there seem to be two groups and lots of changes, and I have
> > > worked with trust, respect and joy with members of both groups, and
> > > I would like to do so in the future as well. As Brazil is far away,
> > > and I don't know the situation very well, I always tried to stay
> > > out of the line of fire, which I hope is understandable.
> >
> > I don't know why do you feel so sorry. We are very well. Our projects
> > are growing fast, our contributors either. What I see, from my point
> > of view, is a lot of noise for nothing. I don't see "groups" either.
> > I see a whole community and some people who think they can treat it
> > like a corporation. Everyone have their opinions, that's not mine.
> >
> > Situation here is: there is a community working hard in many
> > projects, old and new ones, and a few people acting "behind the
> > scenes", using their "influence" and trying to push our community to
> > make things that are convenient to them. And we are resisting. That's
> > simple like that.
>
> Okay. Then I shall understand that as your refusal to work with TDF,
> which you're using names and trademarks. Sorry but that's exactly what
> it sounds.

Don't put words in my speech, Charles, I'm not a stupid. And you didn't
answered the question why are you treaten two Communities differently. What
it sounds to me is: "I don't have to answer that question."


> Please don't use the "but we"re an old community with several years of
> content". We are all communities with several years of content. By
> building your separate website, you are acting in fact as the filter
> you've been describing yourself, that acts as a proxy between people in
> Brazil and TDF. Truth is, Brazilian contributors who would be here
> would not need your site. In fact they could get their membership. But
> that won't happen if they stay on your site.

Don't try to separate me and the community. And again, you insist in making
unfounded acusations.
And it seems you simply disreagarded all that I have told before and
disregard what is a common sense in Brazilian Community.

I'm not a repeating machine and I won't repeat what I have already said
before. Acting like you are, you are puting a little piece more in this
puzzle and making the big picture clearer.

So, now you know the real "truth". Amazing. Good for you. But I don't think
what you call the "truth" is really the truth. You demonstrate know nothing
about Brazilian Community and its works in TDF wiki. You know nothing, how
can you say you know "the truth"?

Common man, you are smarter than that. I am the messenger, not the
community. Killing me will not solve the problem.


> I can very well understand that migration takes time. It can take
> several months. Now, TDF has been around for 7 months. I look forward
> to have a real Brazilian community working on libreoffice.org , not
> because we want to control it  but because we're one community. We grew
> as volunteers, as native-language projects, all of us. There's no
> exception.

There is a real Brazilian Community working on libreoffice.org, don't you
noticed it? Have you visited our wiki in TDF? Have you visited our pt-br web
site in pt-br.libreoffice.org? Have you noticed we replaced all references
to BrOffice.org to LibreOffice.org? What you're saying is: We want a real
Brazilian Community, but you dismiss all the job we are performing since
February 2011.



> Hope you understand,
Yes. the frame and the big picture is more and more clearer to me...


>  Charles.
Ohhh I noticed you didn't put you best regards as usual here. Are you taking
this personally? I am not.

My best regards to you, Charles.

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