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2011/5/9 Tom Davies <>

Hi :)
There is a lot of complex detail in every post to this thread.  Please can
we try to solve 1 problem at a time?

Paulo, is there a danger of losing the Brazilian websites due to Brazilian
law?  If that danger does exist then is it a problem that needs to be solved

The websites itself? No. Domains? maybe. Until the NGO is not completely
undone (legaly talking...) the domains are safe. Once the NGO is competely
over, the domain must be transfered to another NGO (and it MUST be an NGO,
not a person or a private company). I suppose that ALTA could "kindly" offer
to do that, but if you decide it it will be a proof that TDF members are not
reliable for Brazilian Community. Sorry for these words, but it's the crude

IF that is an imminent danger then perhaps the Brazilian Community could
use TDF (or whichever organisation currently owns TDF's assets) to solve
it?  Perhaps by 'giving' the websites/domains to TDF (perhaps just
temporarily)?  This suggestion assumes that part/all of the Brazilian
Community are going to be properly represented on the TDF steering committee
and at all levels of TDF.  Both the TDF and the Brazilian OCmmunities seem
to want this.  If TDF needs an official office in Brazil then that would
probably have to be run by the Brazilian Community, funded by them and
administered by them.  There might be some chance of organising things a
little differently but that seems (to me) to be the most obvious way to save
the existing websites.

I have already posted this issue to the main Brazilian mailing list.
Community is deliberating and soon we are going to have an answer. My
feeling is that we're gonna to register another domain or to use one already
registered for our old website and increase the speed of our content
migration to TDF websites. As I stated before, personally, I really don't
care who will own domain name. And I think people in the
community doesn't care at all. But.... as I said before: giving the
ownership to the people who are threatening us will be a shame and an

But, yet, my first question is not answered: Why North American Community
can use the brand in their domain name and Brazilian Community can't? This
is a real strage behavior.

And I have another question: Will we be allowed to use that brand in our
magazine, once it's a real contribution to Libreoffice marketing?

Details about naming conventions, branding, diversifying, logos, specific
individuals actions, conspiracies and all the rest of the tangled issues
discussed in this thread are hopefully irrelevant so that the 1 problem of
avoiding losing assets (domains/websites) can be sorted out quickly if

I don't think so. It's the same than hiding our heads in the ground and
waiting for the storm to end. There are a lot of unexplained things in the
relationship between TDF, Brazilian Community and Brazilian TDF founders and
members, and that's not good for real trust and cooperation. But, many
people prefer that way and I'm not the one who will tell those people how to
deal with those problems. I think they are adults enough to deal with them.

One thing I have with me for a long time in my life: every action has
consequences, including inaction.

My only 1st question is "Is there a danger of the Brazilian legal system
closing websites or domains soon?"
Regards from
Tom :)

I have answered your question above, I think. Let me know if you have any

Best regards.

Paulo de Souza Lima
Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729

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