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2011/5/10 Florian Effenberger <>

Hello Paulo,

Paulo de Souza Lima wrote on 2011-05-10 03.21:

 The websites itself? No. Domains? maybe. Until the NGO is not completely
undone (legaly talking...) the domains are safe. Once the NGO is competely
over, the domain must be transfered to another NGO (and it MUST be an NGO,

as said, I talked to our ISP, and they offer a trustee service for
Brazilian domains, so we can transfer the domain to someone holding it for
TDF. I will verify again with them based on the information you gave me (NGO
needed), but in case that's indeed possible, wouldn't it be the best
solution, to have the domain names independent from one entity?

Hi Florian. As I said before, that domain belongs to the NGO
Our Community doesn't have any control on it. If you want to negotiate the
transfer of the domain, you should talk to the owners, not with us. I
suppose Claudio could help you in this issue more than me.

But I will say it again: The Community is deliberating on it, in public
mailing lists (you can follow it if you wish). I have a strong feeling, that
the decision will be giving up of any use of domain.

 not a person or a private company). I suppose that ALTA could "kindly"
to do that, but if you decide it it will be a proof that TDF members are
reliable for Brazilian Community. Sorry for these words, but it's the

I am happy to make a trustee contact with one of the Brazilian non-profit
organizations, in case our provider does not offer a trustee service for . domain names. I am also happy to show that trustee contract to the
public then -- so there should be no risk for anyone, whether it's ALTA or
another entity.

That's your opinion. Do what you want. I don't care anymore.

 migration to TDF websites. As I stated before, personally, I really don't
care who will own domain name. And I think people in
community doesn't care at all. But.... as I said before: giving the

I heard something different about that. I heard that the domain cannot be given to us or put under TDF control,
and I even read that some people are to hand out e-mail addresses @ So, I am glad that you don't care who will own that
domain name, but it seems not everyone shares that.

Well, if you "heard that", I would like to know your sources. If there are
some people handling emails, that's not of our business,
as we cannot control this domain. You have to understand that one thing is
the Brazilian Community, another different thing is the NGO. I am talking
about the Brazilian Community, I don't speak for the NGO or their owners.

 ownership to the people who are threatening us will be a shame and an

Does the German association, that at the moment legally represents TDF
until it is a legal entity by itself, threat you? If not, I guess you have
no objections to us having a trustee contract with our provider to host the
domain names, or if that is not possible, with any of the Brazilian NGOs. As
said, I am happy to show that trustee contact in public then. Are there any
objections to that?

For me, that's OK. And I think this is a real demonstration of good will.

 But, yet, my first question is not answered: Why North American Community
can use the brand in their domain name and Brazilian Community can't? This
is a real strage behavior.

I'll reply to that in your other mail soon.


 And I have another question: Will we be allowed to use that brand in our
magazine, once it's a real contribution to Libreoffice marketing?

We have a trademark policy in place that has been discussed and agreed upon
in public, with everyone being able to contribute:

So, legally spoken, you need permission to do so, but in general, I
personally have no objection. If the project is introduced to the list, with
everyone from the Community being able to join, so it's not a closed group,
and it follows our open, transparent and meritocratic principles: Of course.
You should formally ask as described in the Trademark Policy, but I have a
feeling you might get a positive reply. :-)

That's another demonstration of good will. Thanks for that. In fact, we are
trying to follow the trademark policy line by line. And if anyone find
something wrong in our job, he/she is invited to call us and explain what is
happening. We will be happy in fix our fault.

It is not about keeping all legal assets just for "us". "Us" is the
Community, we decide together on how to use these, in the - you get it -
open, transparent and meritocratic process. That decision is independent
from individuals, and that's exactly why TDF has been set-up. We want to be
independent, and be able to host all assets for the Community.



Florian Effenberger <>
Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation
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Best Regards.

Paulo de Souza Lima
Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador
Curitiba - PR
Linux User #432358
Ubuntu User #28729

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