Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

I guess it is controversial because there's a hostility of some LO users to
allow direct formatting of the document instead of resorting to Styles.
Therefore, some people consider that direct formatting should be hidden?

However, many users do prefer to use direct formatting and competing Office
suites provide easy access to direct formatting. I don't know why
developers consider this to be a wrong approach?
Making the access to direct formatting more difficult would just draw
people away from LO to closed source office suites.
And removing direct formatting just to make people more aware of Styles????
wow. Is there a more heavy handed top-down approach from developers to
force users to do things as they want to? Christ.

If you want to make Styles more used than redesign the Sidebar for Styles
and Formatting into something more intuitive. The way as it is presented
now is completely unintuitive compared with the Properties tab where you
clearly know what pressing the Bold button will do for example.

If you want users to use Styles then strongly improve the UX of the Sidebar
pane, allow for easy visualization of different styles and easy change of
Style of each component.



On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Jay Philips <ypharis@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Sophie,
>
> On 06/07/2015 11:22 PM, Sophie wrote:
>
> > The promise, at the time, was to re-start the survey to obtain more
> > > accurate statistics (I cannot remember the discussion word by word as
> > > too much time and too many things have gone by). I suppose that some
> > > objections coming from Sophie reflect those objections from the
> > > community.
> >
> > Yes, I'm on my way to ask the FR community to react on that, mostly
> > those in real contact with users, doing migrations and training. Not
> > because we want to rely only on users feedback but also on the
> > robustness of our document roundtrip and exchanges, and for that, we
> > know that styles are the common sense to treat them.
>
> Look forward to the feedback.
>
>  Unfortunately, the survey was never re-started because of the Oracle
> > > acquisition and the subsequent turmoil inside StarDivision and inside
> > > the community.
> >
> > That would be a great thing to do a survey now that people are more
> > aware of the necessity to communicate in different environments.
> >
> > Jay, I'll answer your details tomorrow, but about direct formatting,
> > that was one of the most controversial thing to add it to the sidebar so
> > prominently. Most of the training material available remove the
> > formating toolbar to make people aware of styles...
>
> Dont see why it would be controversial when all other office suites that
> utilize sidebars (iWork, Calligra) have direct formatting in the sidebar.
> The sad thing is that paragraph and character styles dropdown lists arent
> present in the sidebar's properties tab.
>
> Jay
>
>
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