Re: [libreoffice-design] feedback on #91781

Hi all,
Le 07/06/2015 20:06, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
> On 07/06/15 19:07, Jay Philips wrote:
>
> > The software hasnt changed that dramatically since the OOo stats were
> > collected and user behaviour doesnt change that much over time as well.
> > I dont exclusively rely on the stats, as i do compare LO with its
> > various competitors (MSO, iWork, WPS, WordPerfect, Calligra,
> > Abiword/Gnumeric).
>
> Hi Jay, I suppose you are not aware of the internal discussions based on
> those statistics, which were rejected by a large percentage of the
> community, to the point that there was a petition to stop the "so
> called" Renaissance Project.
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=21819
>
> https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=21338
>
> In Orvieto, at the OOo Conference, there was an rather heated session
> about the statistics, and the entire Renaissance Project, and at the end
> the project was stopped because it was rather clear that the approach -
> top down - was not liked by the community.

Thanks a lot for pointing to this Italo, I've searched the links also
during the week end :). Also some feedback I get from recent inquiries,
but unfortunately was only in French.
> The promise, at the time, was to re-start the survey to obtain more
> accurate statistics (I cannot remember the discussion word by word as
> too much time and too many things have gone by). I suppose that some
> objections coming from Sophie reflect those objections from the community.

Yes, I'm on my way to ask the FR community to react on that, mostly
those in real contact with users, doing migrations and training. Not
because we want to rely only on users feedback but also on the
robustness of our document roundtrip and exchanges, and for that, we
know that styles are the common sense to treat them.
> Unfortunately, the survey was never re-started because of the Oracle
> acquisition and the subsequent turmoil inside StarDivision and inside
> the community.

That would be a great thing to do a survey now that people are more
aware of the necessity to communicate in different environments.

Jay, I'll answer your details tomorrow, but about direct formatting,
that was one of the most controversial thing to add it to the sidebar so
prominently. Most of the training material available remove the
formating toolbar to make people aware of styles...
Kind regards
Sophie

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