Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice

Hello,

2011/10/22 Astron <heinzlesspam@googlemail.com>

> Hi Andrew,
>
> > > As it was explained at the conference, the code used in one will be used
> in
> > > the other, so we won't have two suites.
> >
> >
> > umm... thats what I said. I know that we can reuse code.
>
> I'll try to summarise what is necessary for LibreOffice Online (I hope
> this won't madden you):
> * Broadway (i. e. the server code that makes the GTK+ → Canvas
> conversion and serves it) – part of GTK+ 3 (not LibreOffice!) and
> already written
> * a good GTK+ 3 backend for LibreOffice's VCL toolkit – partially
> written, and we'd need it anyway to make LibreOffice look good on GTK+
> 3 platforms (that is, all major current Linux distributions), staying
> with a GTK+ 2 backend only is not an option anyway
> * some tweaks to floating toolbars and other window management things
> – no idea, if there's anything there, but probably not a major effort.
> As you can see, there's no reason for anxiety, as Broadway does the
> magic and most of the work helps us on all desktop Linux platforms.
>
> This is very different for Android and IOS, because on both platforms,
> LibreOffice would need a native, touch-centric port. In other words, a
> complete UI rewrite – and that's where I see space for a start-up to
> step in. I have doubts whether the current community is strong enough
> to pull this off, but let's see. We shan't be pessimists.


+1 to all the above.


> > I think that the people in this mailing list think that I am stupid or
> > something.
>
> There are different people on this list, not everyone knows everyone
> else and not everyone reads their mail equally thoroughly etc. Please
> just bear with people when they repeat points that have already been
> brought up. I wouldn't understand this as a personal attack.
>
>
> > It would be nice to have a mobile LibreOffice, even a web based one. but
> it
> > will not make or brake LibreOffice. the majority of all documents will
> still
> > be created on the desktop.
>
> #1 I wouldn't be so sure about this. Tablets seem very attractive to
> consumers, especially since using them is so "intuitive" and their
> power to battery life balance is so far unmatched by laptops.
> #2 For IOS there's I-Work, for WP7 there's MS Office, but for Android
> there isn't much (i. e. Quickoffice) – so there's a real market niche
> here.
>
>
> > I would like to say that I am not against LibreOffice Android/iOS or
> LOOL. I
> > think that these are things that will be great to have. im saying  that
> we
> > need to start on the UI of LibreOffice NOW. we can't wait to have a
> working
> > tablet/online suite to start working on the desktop UI. which is what
> will
> > happen if we start the tablet/online suites and not the desktop UI.
>
> Please read what I said more carefully. I didn't say that we (as the
> community) should stop working on the desktop suite to make the mobile
> suite happen. Quite the opposite.
>
>
> > people are not going to download our suite as it is. my sister refuses to
> > use it, even for the time being until my dad puts M$ Office on her
> computer,
> > because it looks awful. people think that open source is ugly, and will
> not
> > use it because of that.
>
> You can't force her to use it. Also, please don't imply that MS Office
> isn't ugly. It is (see also: inconsistent UI fonts, non-resizable
> dialogues, huge installation size, OOXML).
>
>
> > there are awesome tools hidden behind things that most people
> > would not even think of looking through, and the nerds are too lazy to go
> > though.  we need to clean up the UI, NOW.
>
> Please realise this isn't a dictatorship. It's a meritocracy, and the
> way to gain merit for design people here is to try and work with the
> devs on their ideas. Devs don't always have so much interest in the
> UI, so you'll slowly have to convince them of your value.


Yes and... write specifications as a team. UI groundwork . :)

Best,
Charles.


> Astron.
>
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