Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Fwd: Re: [libreoffice-design] APP/Online LibreOffice

Hi Andrew, all!

Just a quick answer, since some mails are waiting today ...

Am Montag, den 24.10.2011, 00:21 -0400 schrieb Andrew Pullins:
> > Hi
>
>
>  That needs some refinement from my point-of-view. The devices runningAndroid,
> > iOS were made for different tasks ... and became popular for that. Today,
> > people demand to use those devices for different tasks as well - sometimes
> > it works well, sometimes it does not. that. Today, people demand to use
> > those devices for different tasks as well - sometimes it works well,
> > sometimes it does not.
>
>
> yah the different tablets will serve different tasks but LibreOffice
> should serve the same task all across the board... I do not see what your
> getting at.

Question: If a tablet does not offer a mouse (you need to use your
finger instead), has no keyboard (entering text is hard, speech
recognition does not work yet reliably), does it make _sense_ to use
LibO for the very same tasks? Or does the "should serve the same tasks"
make things more complicated than necessary?


> My question here is, what tasks can be improved / are required for
> > LibreOffice on such platforms. What set of functionality can be derived
> > for such cases? What tasks will be exclusive for a "classical desktop"?
> > What differentiates LibreOffice on Android/iOS from normal ODF viewers?
> > (You got the point, I guess.)
>
> I don't know, maybe a sort of dumb down LibreOffice. not all the
> functionality needs to go into a tablet suite. what gets taken out or left
> in, I don't know. we will have to decide that some how.

Correct. But the "somehow" starts before asking the devs for a new UI.


>  Why do you think that? As we have different objectives, each developer
>
>  has his own goal (sometimes aligned with the goal of the company he
> > works for *g*). That means some of them care for the Desktop UI, some
> > might care about the iOS/Android UI
>
>
> I think this because most devs do not care about what the thing looks like.
> they could make the absolute ugliest UI ever and they would be happy that it
> worked. the rest of the world would be absolutely confused but that does not
> seem to matter for a dev. they know how to work it why does every one else
> have a problem with it.

Sigh. The Design Team is not about the look only, it is about how we can
support user tasks by efficient workflows. However, any developer I know
is happy if things work and look good (without requiring too much work
for him). So why do you think that devs don't care?


> > (sometimes aligned with the goal of the company he works for *g*).
>
>
> ok that is the second or third time I have saw some one say that. what do
> you mean my "*g*".

*g* = fat grin

Sorry for that, I assumed it is (now) common Internet slang.

>  What I perceived at the LibreOffice Conference is, that developers do
> > care about the LibreOffice we have, and that there are more support
> > requests by them than we (on libreoffice-ux-advise) do currently handle
> > (providing facts, collect requirements, do competition analysis, provide
> > UI proposals, test daily builds, ...).
>
>
> sounds like we need better communication between teams then.

Yes and no at the same time. If people work together, then communication
simply happens ... libreoffice-ux-advise currently works perfectly well
for what it has been created for.

But back to the original issue; asking developers for a new UI without
(the Design Team) knowing what to ask for, is hardly working
together ;-) So my suggestion is that you start to pick some of the open
questions we've raised in this thread ... that would be extremely
helpful and also convey to the development that we care.

Cheers,
Christoph


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