Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [VI] Consistent theme for screenshots

Marc,

What Larry's referring to overall is Apple's Human Interface Guidelines (
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AppleHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/XHIGIntro.html),
which basically define what's "expected" from Apple programs.  Many programs
will conform to these guidelines, which impose general color schemes,
scrollbars, and conventions more or less analogously to what GTK does for
Linux (there's a shell script that makes Ubuntu use the Aqua theme-- it well
shows how Aqua and GTK function in similar ways with regards to interface
design).  It shouldn't be deadly difficult to find how the others use these
sets, though I don't think it requires that much.

Though Larry, plenty of people use MSO for Mac, which definitively does
break the HIG.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 11:40 PM, Marc Paré <marc@marcpare.com> wrote:

> Le 2011-07-06 12:31, Larry Gusaas a écrit :
>
> > On 2011/07/06 1:08 AM Marc Paré wrote:
> >
> > > Logically, again, the Mac users would be next in line to be served up
> > > with a LibreOffice theme. If the Mac people could take a look at the
> > > suggested guide criteria and come back with proposals, this would help
> > > out quite a bit. Many of us do not have Mac's to work out a theme, so
> > > we need to collect Mac users interested in working on this. You may be
> > > able to do like I did, I asked for help on the KDE forums (theme
> > > section). There must be somewhere one could ask on Mac forums for help
> > > as well. In the case of the Mac platform, it will take someone who
> > > owns a Mac to take the lead.
> > Mac's use the system theme (blue or graphite) for all applications and
> > menu bars. Mac user's expect all programs that properly follow Apple's
> > user interface design guidelines. Your proposed theme would have to
> > override the installed Mac theme and would apply to all programs. This
> > is not wanted by Mac users (I do not know if it is even possible).
> >
> > Quit trying to impose a standard design for all platforms. The less a
> > program looks like a Mac program, the less likely a Mac user will use it.
> >
> > Larry
>
> Hi Larry,
>
> I don't see how a "LibreOffice Theme" that is iconic of a software package
> has anything to do with a "Mac Theme". Do you mean to say that LibreOffice
> has to bend to the Mac theme to qualify as a legitimate programme? It almost
> sounds like the Mac is dressed in a gray suit and wants everyone else to
> wear gray.
>
> Seems to me that the initial premise of the Mac was not to be another blue
> suit like the Win PC Jr. types. It is a shame is this is what the Mac
> platform has reduced itself to the world. It this were the case, and, if
> this were true, then I would be more than happy to not recommend Mac's to
> people due to it's narrowistic view.
>
> Now, knowing this is not the case (we do use them in my school board, but
> not many), how about, rather than complaining about the lack of theme
> resource for your favourite OS, could you look into finding out if there is
> a compatible set of tools for the Mac as proposed for our theme guidelines?
> It would be a lot of help for the other Mac owners, and, we will try as best
> we can, to work something out for the Mac platform.
>
> Surely, would this not sound reasonable?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Marc
>
>
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