Re: [libreoffice-design] Ribbons and Background Color UX

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:29 AM, planas <jslozier@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hillar
>
> On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 22:51 +0300, Hillar Liiv wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Some mockups:
> > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01239.html
> >
> > MS Office 2008:
> > http://img.skitch.com/20071014-b85qcwy28rw32d69qjpy8yhtyx.jpg
> >
> > Ans so on...
> >
> > And people if you are bashing ribbon then please tell us how much
> experience
> > you have with it (saw pictures, used it, used it one month and ...).
> >
> > Hillar
> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/5/24 jlopez777 <jlopez777@gmail.com>
> >
> > > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks <
> zaphodfj@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 23 May 2011 at 9:57, Christopher Stark wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > as I mentioned earlier, the main argument against ribbons is that
> in M$
> > > > > Office the user has to click on ribbons/tabs all the time and never
> > > > > knows if the required functions hide behind "Review", "Insert" or
> > > > > "Design"...
> > > >
> > > > My annoyance with ribbons is:
> > > > - In MSO 2003 / LibO, I can easily see the things I expect to be in
> the
> > > top
> > > > toolbar - font information and so on.
> > > > If I perform certain other functions (e.g. tables), another floating
> > > > toolbar appears.
> > > >
> > > > - In MSO 2007/10, going into tables causes a big menu all about
> tables to
> > > > obscure the things I want to see on
> > > > the menu, with a lot of options I am not one bit interested in.
>  Also,
> > > the
> > > > buttons are SO inconsistent - different
> > > > sizes, some have text and some do not, etc.
> > > >
> > > > In fact, the Ribbon reminds me of 'modern art'.  It's a piece of junk
> and
> > > > if anyone else designed it,
> > > > commentators would call it junk.  But because Microsoft say it is
> 'good',
> > > > lots of people who should know better
> > > > agree with them.
> > > >
> > > > The MSO ribbon is crap.  While I love Open Source and LibO, I would
> > > either
> > > > stay on LibO 3.3 forever, or go to
> > > > WordPerfect if LibO mimicked that horrible interface.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > All this makes working with the current solution in my opinion much
> > > more
> > > > efficient than with ribbons
> > > >
> > > > Absolutely.  If I wanted stupid ribbons cluttering the place, I would
> be
> > > > using MSO.  I'm not using it because the
> > > > interface stinks.  OTOH, if someone developed an implementation of
> > > ribbons
> > > > that was so good, and showed
> > > > that the idea is fine and that MS have simply done a bad job of
> > > developing
> > > > it, that would be another matter.
> > > >
> > > > In another email, Sveinn í Felli suggests an optional vertical
> toolbar -
> > > > possibly a far more sensible option,
> > > > especially as so many people have wide screens nowadays.
> > >
> > > What would be the best way to look into this? Getting some mock ups?
>  Even
> > > if it becomes an "extension" of some sort not default. I would really
> like
> > > to explore this idea. Any help or direction would be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > > > ZF.
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> > > > Zaphod
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> I have to use MS Office at work with ribbons, about 1 1/2 years. I think
> they are attempt at making more options readily accessible to more
> users. The problem is not all the options are accessible using the
> default ribbon, you have to customize the top menu bar. If there is a
> way to combine the idea behind the ribbon, eacy access for most options
> and make other options available "on demand" we will probably have a
> winner.
>
> My other specific criticism is the some of the ribbon combinations seem
> awkward to me, they do not seem to fit together. I have noticed this in
> Excel mostly but some in Word. I am one to try a new ideas for the
> interface and try have specific observations than complain about it
> because it is different.

I agree, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I rather keep the
conversation going toward exploring alternatives and getting some type of
advancement of ideas. Thanks Jay.



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