Daniel On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 20:14 +0000, Daniel Merker wrote:
Hi, I find ribbons to be more helpful and the new paradigm is actually very nice. By organizing menus by tasks, not items, it seems easier to find controls in the ribbon that relate to what I'm trying to do. Moreover, I don't see everything I can do with say a table; I just see table options that relate to my task. For example, I find the insert tab to be well organized and intuitive since everything that I need to insert content into a document/presentation/email/spreadsheet is there. With that said, I do feel that there are several improvements that can be made to this task-focused menu system. For example, as many people have said, placing the menu, or ribbon as Microsoft calls them, on the left or right side of the screen makes a lot of sense. Another change is to make it easy for users to create/modify tabs to make it easier to use. If I could make a Daniel tab that has my most commonly used features that would be very nice. In this case, it is important to ensure that one company's implementation of these menus do not discourage the concept of them. I've been using the ribbon for three years now and do find them as an improvement to the Office 2003 interface, which I've used for three-ish years. While I don't have statistical proof, it appears that a person's liking of the ribbon type menu is inversely proportional to the number of years that person has used Office 2003; this isn't good or bad, just something to note. Daniel Merker Computer Engineering Graduate Student Wayne State University -----Original Message----- From: Hillar Liiv [mailto:liivhillar@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:51 PM To: design@libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Ribbons and Background Color UX Hi, Some mockups: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01239.html MS Office 2008: http://img.skitch.com/20071014-b85qcwy28rw32d69qjpy8yhtyx.jpg Ans so on... And people if you are bashing ribbon then please tell us how much experience you have with it (saw pictures, used it, used it one month and ...). Hillar 2011/5/24 jlopez777 <jlopez777@gmail.com>On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks <zaphodfj@gmail.comwrote:On 23 May 2011 at 9:57, Christopher Stark wrote:Hi, as I mentioned earlier, the main argument against ribbons is that in M$ Office the user has to click on ribbons/tabs all the time and never knows if the required functions hide behind "Review", "Insert" or "Design"...My annoyance with ribbons is: - In MSO 2003 / LibO, I can easily see the things I expect to be in thetoptoolbar - font information and so on. If I perform certain other functions (e.g. tables), another floating toolbar appears. - In MSO 2007/10, going into tables causes a big menu all about tables to obscure the things I want to see on the menu, with a lot of options I am not one bit interested in. Also,thebuttons are SO inconsistent - different sizes, some have text and some do not, etc. In fact, the Ribbon reminds me of 'modern art'. It's a piece of junk and if anyone else designed it, commentators would call it junk. But because Microsoft say it is 'good', lots of people who should know better agree with them. The MSO ribbon is crap. While I love Open Source and LibO, I wouldeitherstay on LibO 3.3 forever, or go to WordPerfect if LibO mimicked that horrible interface.All this makes working with the current solution in my opinion muchmoreefficient than with ribbons Absolutely. If I wanted stupid ribbons cluttering the place, I would be using MSO. I'm not using it because the interface stinks. OTOH, if someone developed an implementation ofribbonsthat was so good, and showed that the idea is fine and that MS have simply done a bad job ofdevelopingit, that would be another matter. In another email, Sveinn í Felli suggests an optional vertical toolbar - possibly a far more sensible option, especially as so many people have wide screens nowadays.What would be the best way to look into this? Getting some mock ups? Even if it becomes an "extension" of some sort not default. I would really like to explore this idea. Any help or direction would be appreciated.ZF. -- Zaphod -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted-- Joed Lopez -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted-- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
I have used older versions of Office going back to the 80's on a Mac. The menu interface was fairly constant from then until the ribbons were introduced. In many respects the old menu predates MS Office on the Mac (about 1985) with MacWrite and other Mac programs. A lot of old timers have learned the quirks of a menu system and ribbon means knew quirks must learned even if the ribbon is pointing to the future. -- Jay Lozier jslozier@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
