Re: [libreoffice-design] Ribbons and Background Color UX

Hillar

On Tue, 2011-05-24 at 22:51 +0300, Hillar Liiv wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Some mockups:
> http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01239.html
>
> MS Office 2008:
> http://img.skitch.com/20071014-b85qcwy28rw32d69qjpy8yhtyx.jpg
>
> Ans so on...
>
> And people if you are bashing ribbon then please tell us how much experience
> you have with it (saw pictures, used it, used it one month and ...).
>
> Hillar
>
>
>
> 2011/5/24 jlopez777 <jlopez777@gmail.com>
>
> > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks <zaphodfj@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > On 23 May 2011 at 9:57, Christopher Stark wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > as I mentioned earlier, the main argument against ribbons is that in M$
> > > > Office the user has to click on ribbons/tabs all the time and never
> > > > knows if the required functions hide behind "Review", "Insert" or
> > > > "Design"...
> > >
> > > My annoyance with ribbons is:
> > > - In MSO 2003 / LibO, I can easily see the things I expect to be in the
> > top
> > > toolbar - font information and so on.
> > > If I perform certain other functions (e.g. tables), another floating
> > > toolbar appears.
> > >
> > > - In MSO 2007/10, going into tables causes a big menu all about tables to
> > > obscure the things I want to see on
> > > the menu, with a lot of options I am not one bit interested in.  Also,
> > the
> > > buttons are SO inconsistent - different
> > > sizes, some have text and some do not, etc.
> > >
> > > In fact, the Ribbon reminds me of 'modern art'.  It's a piece of junk and
> > > if anyone else designed it,
> > > commentators would call it junk.  But because Microsoft say it is 'good',
> > > lots of people who should know better
> > > agree with them.
> > >
> > > The MSO ribbon is crap.  While I love Open Source and LibO, I would
> > either
> > > stay on LibO 3.3 forever, or go to
> > > WordPerfect if LibO mimicked that horrible interface.
> > >
> > >
> > > > All this makes working with the current solution in my opinion much
> > more
> > > efficient than with ribbons
> > >
> > > Absolutely.  If I wanted stupid ribbons cluttering the place, I would be
> > > using MSO.  I'm not using it because the
> > > interface stinks.  OTOH, if someone developed an implementation of
> > ribbons
> > > that was so good, and showed
> > > that the idea is fine and that MS have simply done a bad job of
> > developing
> > > it, that would be another matter.
> > >
> > > In another email, Sveinn í Felli suggests an optional vertical toolbar -
> > > possibly a far more sensible option,
> > > especially as so many people have wide screens nowadays.
> >
> > What would be the best way to look into this? Getting some mock ups?  Even
> > if it becomes an "extension" of some sort not default. I would really like
> > to explore this idea. Any help or direction would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> > > ZF.
> > > --
> > > Zaphod
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I have to use MS Office at work with ribbons, about 1 1/2 years. I think
they are attempt at making more options readily accessible to more
users. The problem is not all the options are accessible using the
default ribbon, you have to customize the top menu bar. If there is a
way to combine the idea behind the ribbon, eacy access for most options
and make other options available "on demand" we will probably have a
winner.

My other specific criticism is the some of the ribbon combinations seem
awkward to me, they do not seem to fit together. I have noticed this in
Excel mostly but some in Word. I am one to try a new ideas for the
interface and try have specific observations than complain about it
because it is different.
-- 
Jay Lozier
jslozier@gmail.com

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