RE: [libreoffice-design] Ribbons and Background Color UX

Hi,

I find ribbons to be more helpful and the new paradigm is actually very nice. By organizing menus 
by tasks, not items, it seems easier to find controls in the ribbon that relate to what I'm trying 
to do. Moreover, I don't see everything I can do with say a table; I just see table options that 
relate to my task. For example, I find the insert tab to be well organized and intuitive since 
everything that I need to insert content into a document/presentation/email/spreadsheet is there.

With that said, I do feel that there are several improvements that can be made to this task-focused 
menu system. For example, as many people have said, placing the menu, or ribbon as Microsoft calls 
them, on the left or right side of the screen makes a lot of sense. Another change is to make it 
easy for users to create/modify tabs to make it easier to use. If I could make a Daniel tab that 
has my most commonly used features that would be very nice. 

In this case, it is important to ensure that one company's implementation of these menus do not 
discourage the concept of them. I've been using the ribbon for three years now and do find them as 
an improvement to the Office 2003 interface, which I've used for three-ish years. While I don't 
have statistical proof, it appears that a person's liking of the ribbon type menu is inversely 
proportional to the number of years that person has used Office 2003; this isn't good or bad, just 
something to note.   

Daniel Merker
Computer Engineering Graduate Student
Wayne State University

-----Original Message-----
From: Hillar Liiv [mailto:liivhillar@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:51 PM
To: design@libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-design] Ribbons and Background Color UX

Hi,

Some mockups:
http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg01239.html

MS Office 2008:
http://img.skitch.com/20071014-b85qcwy28rw32d69qjpy8yhtyx.jpg

Ans so on...

And people if you are bashing ribbon then please tell us how much experience you have with it (saw 
pictures, used it, used it one month and ...).

Hillar



2011/5/24 jlopez777 <jlopez777@gmail.com>

> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks 
> <zaphodfj@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > On 23 May 2011 at 9:57, Christopher Stark wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > as I mentioned earlier, the main argument against ribbons is that 
> > > in M$ Office the user has to click on ribbons/tabs all the time 
> > > and never knows if the required functions hide behind "Review", 
> > > "Insert" or "Design"...
> >
> > My annoyance with ribbons is:
> > - In MSO 2003 / LibO, I can easily see the things I expect to be in 
> > the
> top
> > toolbar - font information and so on.
> > If I perform certain other functions (e.g. tables), another floating 
> > toolbar appears.
> >
> > - In MSO 2007/10, going into tables causes a big menu all about 
> > tables to obscure the things I want to see on the menu, with a lot 
> > of options I am not one bit interested in.  Also,
> the
> > buttons are SO inconsistent - different sizes, some have text and 
> > some do not, etc.
> >
> > In fact, the Ribbon reminds me of 'modern art'.  It's a piece of 
> > junk and if anyone else designed it, commentators would call it 
> > junk.  But because Microsoft say it is 'good', lots of people who 
> > should know better agree with them.
> >
> > The MSO ribbon is crap.  While I love Open Source and LibO, I would
> either
> > stay on LibO 3.3 forever, or go to
> > WordPerfect if LibO mimicked that horrible interface.
> >
> >
> > > All this makes working with the current solution in my opinion 
> > > much
> more
> > efficient than with ribbons
> >
> > Absolutely.  If I wanted stupid ribbons cluttering the place, I 
> > would be using MSO.  I'm not using it because the interface stinks.  
> > OTOH, if someone developed an implementation of
> ribbons
> > that was so good, and showed
> > that the idea is fine and that MS have simply done a bad job of
> developing
> > it, that would be another matter.
> >
> > In another email, Sveinn í Felli suggests an optional vertical 
> > toolbar - possibly a far more sensible option, especially as so many 
> > people have wide screens nowadays.
>
> What would be the best way to look into this? Getting some mock ups?  
> Even if it becomes an "extension" of some sort not default. I would 
> really like to explore this idea. Any help or direction would be appreciated.
>
>
> > ZF.
> > --
> > Zaphod
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