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I've been reading back into a few old email threads and found the below conversation stored in our 

However, it's missing the updates from the discussion thread. If anyone from that conversation 
(Marc, Drew, others) would like to update the wiki page, that would be a good help, to make sure 
these ideas aren't lost over the longer term.

Once we have a site forum on the main Drupal LibO website, it will be much easier to carry on 
conversations and develop and implement action plans as we're striving toward here.

On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:02 PM, Marc Paré wrote:

Thanks for the reply.  This note is getting a little messy with the added nested replies. Maybe 
we will move it later to a Wiki worksheet somewhere on the "US/CA Marketing" wiki pages.

Le 2010-10-22 12:08, Drew Jensen a écrit :
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 12:05 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:

Hi Marc,

Just going to drop in a few links to build on the good start you have

Education (NOT ACADEMIA) campaign:

Initial work:
* make sure the support forums/mailist/nntp are established and
strategically located on the TDF/LibO site
Excellent, I suppose the work on a forum(s) will be kicking into gear
here soon and I am looking forward to working with you on it

Yes, I think in this case a forum thread would be more organised. I don't particularly like the 
mailist format for "nested" discussions. They are just too hard to follow and to digest.

* see if there is the possibility of IT "type" help desk for networking
concerns with LibO (may include dev support) -- could also involve a
"pay per call" service.
*bit item*

Not sure what you mean by *bit item* . I am a newbie! LOL
* make sure that network installation is possible and easily done on
different platforms (could arrange for "test" locations at some school
board sites, with LibO dev involvement)
Florian is your guy here - a number of good articles out on installing
OO. in large environments. I think a number of them are in German only,
someone may want to touch base with him and see if that is true, if so
find out how he would feel about someone here translating them in to
English for publication, somehow, somewhere....

I have sat on many committees examining the use of OOo and the general consensus from IT was that 
the network install was not available, not enough proof on large installations with annotated 
install procedures, no OOo IT help desk where they could refer to in case of problems (even a 
list of OOo IT devs who could communicate back and forth to help trouble-shoot.

This needs serious work with help from devs. English language documentation in this area is a 
must. Most IT departments (I have worked on English and French Canadian committees) are able to 
work with English language documentation if not available in their native language.

* make sure that there are many educational specific templates for
downloading (match these with governmental educational agencies and the
student expectation lists etc.)
Here are a few links to current templates:

I'd like to see the basic content, idea, moved to wiki pages - long term
plans for a LibreOffice template repository should be kicking up before
long, I would guess.

Absolutely correct. Easy to find, easy to access, universally available should be our mantra. 
Thanks for the cool links! I will take a closer look at these later.
* make sure that there are enough clip arts/sounds in the LibO suite
* collect data re: use of MSO templates presently in use for
Kami is the name you want to look for in the mailing lists - he has been
the driving force in putting the collection together for He is now actively developing extensions as part of the
TDF team.


Great news about Kami! I usually recommend materials for OOo installs. Which 
should be the same with LibO or until all of the files become LibO files? It the 
distro on-board with LibO? If so, are their extensions going to be rebranded?

One of the most questioned additions of the OOo from teachers and students has been the inclusion 
of cliparts. They have gotten used to the MSO clipart set. I usually recommend to have the free 
clipart set installed on their OOo installation and then the most complained about problem with 
this is how to get rid of the clipart/sound pane. It just doesn't seem intuitive for them. But, a 
clipart set is important, not to mention an occasional  update of the clipart is always welcome.* 
collect data: contacts and addresses of various Educational
organisations responsible for the testing/recommendation/acquisition of
educational software
yes - do you want to just start on that, for this group?

Yes. I can take care of the Canadian side of things. I am not sure of how big a job this is on 
the US side. Education in Canada is constitutionally given to the Provinces. Our federal 
government has an "arms length" involvement in education and most of its activities ae related to 
financial grants/bursaries as well as financial incentives through its varied ministries.
* collect names of individuals who are ready to help support and demo
LibO at individual schools
I thought this was it, here - which is to say, this is the starting list
- but I understand your point and yes that would good to have. to
followup on the last question, if you have an idea of how you want to
keep that list and make it available great, if not I can offer a few
ideas and help you get things setup.

Sadly, I am unable to a little incapacitated at the moment due to a couple of surgeries due to a 
crushed spine. So, I am unable to travel at this point in time till therapy and drugs etc permit 
me to do so. Not to mention exercise. But that is just for me.

I see the present members here more in the advocacy corner. For example, the breakdown for the 
Canadian members should be: a national rep(s).; a provincial rep(s); major cities rep(s); school 
rep(s). There should always be, at the very least, two members for the upper national/provincial 
levels (if one person decides to leave, then the programme does not end) and many individuals on 
the lower levels (city/school). These last two categories are the real workforce of the marketing 
team. The upper levels are more of the political marketing force behind the programme.
* lobby various organisations to accept the OASIS document ISO formats.
Sounds good to  me - as long as I get a LibreOffice Golf Shirt out of
it...3x please.

Hope the golf shirts also get organised too! We need to team up with OASIS and plan these on two 
fronts. The national arena and the state/provincial arenas. This is a political issue and needs 
to be coordinated with as many partners as possible.

However, at the grass roots, if more people adopt the LibO suite, then they will clamour more for 
OASIS adoption, just by the mere fact that they will eventually tire of having to import/export 
to MSO formats when the "near-half minority" are using the OASIS formats. This could be easily 
compared to communities where the Spanish language is spoken and no Spanish services are offered. 
Eventually, the communities will rally and buy/communicate only with the Spanish accommodating 
enterprises. This pressure eventually translates into many organisations offering Spanish 
services as they would not like to lose their business.
* prepare support on-line materials (pamphlets; videos; weblinks to
important sites (OASIS, ISO, ...) related to the educational field and
LibO advocacy etc.)
Andy Brown - has been doing this for OO.o projects here and there for a
while - good guy to get to know.

Yes, the LibO Marketing materials need to be universally available and maybe a subset on the 
US/CA Marketing site for country/state/province/city specific materials. This just needs to be 
organised in a very logical way.


--snip off rest for another email later ---



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