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On 11/28/2012 09:05 AM, Pedro wrote:
Hi Tom, all

Let me be the "Devil's advocate" for a moment...


Tom wrote
MS keeps claiming that is what their new format is all about.  They
claimed it with Rtf which they no longer develop which fits their pattern
for gradually dropping completely and they are claiming it again with
their DocX and all.
RTF is plain text with format codes. So it is true that you can open it even
in a text editor. Even if it is discontinued, it is not encrypted.
Docx is exactly the same as ODT. A Zip container which stores objects such
as images, formats and the actual text in a XML file.


Tom wrote
Given that ODF 1.0 and 1.1 still open in LO, AOO and all the rest it looks
like ODF might achieve the promise, especially given that "contents"
written in Xml can be opened and read.
The same applies to MS Office. You can always open previous MS files in a
newer Office version.
Up to a point, there are some very old MSO formats not supported. They are very old so presumably one updated the format to a newer format at some point. The problem with this is that some documents were generated and later never reopened after a few months of circulation and thus never converted

As explained above ODF follows the same logic as OOXML ;)
In both cases you need to have some program that opens the zip container in
order to have access to the XML file which contains the text.

Cheers,
Pedro
The problem is not that OOXML or MSOX formats are structurally similar to ODF formats but most users are completely unaware of the fact you can get the text out of them. On a more philosophical and practical note - why should users need to be unzipping these containers to retrieve their data? What should happen is that there is a firm, open, international standard (ODF) that is used by all.

One should remember that computers are primarily tools for most people that allow them to do something useful. Most do not wish to muck around in the details of container structures or worry about opening files. They just want to do something with these details abstracted into the background.


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