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Hi :)
There are no quick answers and there are no "one size fits all" answers either.  

The only way LO will ever be an easy sell is if everyone else is already using it.  In IT diversity 
and "freedom of choice" is generally seen as a bad thing.  It's much easier just to go along with 
whatever everyone else is using.  It's less challenging, less to think about, easier to get your 
ideas accepted by people paying your wages.  

It's a bit like bands or fashion or art or wine.  How do people decide which is best if they are 
not experts themselves?  How do you find experts that really are experts rather than being 
salesmen.  How do you know when they are giving good advice rather than just fobbing you off with 
something they think you'll be happy to hear just to get rid of you quickly.  

Regards from
Tom :)  

--- On Sun, 7/10/12, Pertti Rönnberg <> wrote:

From: Pertti Rönnberg <>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] MS problems
Date: Sunday, 7 October, 2012, 17:28

Dear Wolfgang,
I am in no way trying - not even in a a such position - to limit anyone's right to express one's 
opinions, but
    I wish you will give the same right to others -- we shall respect all others
    this list is meant to help LibO and its users - not to humiliate or calling names, nor to 
write irrelevant bullshit

So please, don't insinuate but say clearly what you mean - my english is not good enough to 
understand what you mean at all - nor expressions like  "snip".

Some posts ago you blamed company managers and called them "IT-illiteral morons" claiming that they 
do wrong decisions buying MS/MSO programs forcing the company's employees "who do the actual work" 
to be ineffective.  I replied that you are barking at a wrong tree -- that it is the IT stuff, the 
IT-managers and their knowledge you should blame.

Now confirm that by blaming that IT-people - hired as consultants or employed experts " by these 
"IT-illiteral moron" managers - to be too lazy and ignorant to listen to these workers "who do the 
actual work".
Can you please explain what you really mean - if you happen to know - and provided that it is of 
any use for this list.

Just blaming Microsoft and its programs is not productive, nor is it relevant - it is only negative.
If you have a good medicine how to make LibO better and more used it might be of interest if you 
tell us.

And I can assure you with about  25 years own experience that MSAccess - in practice - is not in 
any way a "pathological data shredder" -- no doubt has all the MS/MSO programs been good enough to 
beat WP, Lotus 123, Symphony, etc. -- even still better than any open source programs.
My hope and intention with these posts of mine is that LibO should be enough better to beat MS/MSO 
as a market leader.
Pertti Rönnberg

On 6.10.2012 22:49, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
I think the market share of MSO has nothing to do with the users
being idiots or not. The 90% share is caused by 3 things

2 - Not many people know about alternatives.
That's what I call ignorance. Ignorance plus unwillingness to inform
oneself to remedy that ignorance equals idiocy.

I don't have anything against idiots, as long as they don't impose
their idiocy onto me.

3 - Many IT departments in companies choose MSO because it is easily
available and they consider the support as good.
IT departments, just like "managers" "choose" (in fact, they don't
choose at all) MS because it's not them who have to do the actual
work, so they can't have a clue. And because they're too lazy and
ignorant to get some input from the information workers who have to do
the actual work.

Keep in mind that introduction of an alternative suit requires a lot
of testing in an IT department. The suit must be stable and keep
productivity high.
With MS products, user productivity will be minimised compared to all
available alternatives.


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