Hello,
I'd like to add a little bit about that too, see below.
2011/5/8 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <webmaster@krackedpress.com
On 05/07/2011 04:18 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima wrote:
So, can anybody tell me why NA community can have libreoffice-na.orgdomain
*separated* from TDF hosts and brazilian community can't have
libreoffice.org.br domain?
LibreOffice-NA.US -- not .ORG
the .org.br domain is the exact same as the main one but with the country
code - am I correct?
They might feel that your are trying to take their domain over in your
country, or something like that.
I did not see the beginnings of this thread, but by your text, that is what
your are implying.
We are LibreOffice - North America - in the USA
so our domain is that the same as but with the added country code.
We started our project to be dedicated to our region and create a
distribution DVD for that region.
I do not think our domain is close enough for TDF to upset by us, I hope.
I know one thing. When I "bought" a domain that was a .org and there was a
.com with the same name, I added a link to the .com group stating who they
were and that I was not them. My domain was for a non-profit listing while
they were a "for profit", sort of, group.
There are a lot of groups out there that have other groups that make their
domain as close as possible to the original group's domain so they could
"steal" viewers away for whatever reason. All of us are here to promote the
same software for our different communities. We are not trying to "steal"
people away from the other groups.
To be honest, if your domain was LibreOffice-Brazil.org, then it would not
be looking like it was the Brazilian language version of the TDF/LO site,
which your domain looks like it could be.
Could you use Colibri.org and also add .org.br? Then, for now, you could
redirect your current .org.br domain to the new Colibri site. Later,
after people get use to the new site's domain, you could phase it out. Also
you could just ask a question on where the viewer wants to go, your site of
the TDF/LO site.
For me, your libreoffice.org.br is too close to the TDF/LO site's domain.
That was one reason I opted for the .us domain ending instead of the .org
one. It helped make our domain more different than the original one.
Of course all this is my own opinion, and I was the one who paid for the NA
domain.
Indeed, you make several good points above, and I'd like to add some more.
If one goes to the LibreOffice North America DVD project, one sees a website
dedicated to just that; and it does not attempt to replicate libreoffice.org.
On the contrary, they point to relevant links inside LibreOffice.org, uses
mailing lists here, explains what they do, have explained why they were
doing this website here, on this list and on others, what TDF is, etc. So I
think it's pretty clean and clear in that case. Luiz, Paulo, TDF has been
created by volunteers 7 months ago. The notion that somehow you guys have to
do something separate does not make any sense to me. It's not like if we
were a large corporation and that you would have suspicions about our
intention. If you had specific requirements I would have loved to hear about
them. I'm afraid I/we never heard about any of that.
Best,
Charles.
Just a simple question in order to understand the issue.
Tks and rgds
2011/5/7 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions<
webmaster@krackedpress.com
On 05/07/2011 10:56 AM, Luiz Oliveira wrote:
<snip>
The Brazilian community has some different characteristics from other
communities around the world. We went through dramatic changes recently.
We
made many discussions on local listings. The NGO was extinguished. The
BrOffice brand has been disabled and LibreOffice replaced it. We are
advancing!!
The Brazilian community has decided to be called "Colibri" after long
discussions. We also decided that we would not turn off our portal site
(
libreoffice.org.br), since it is one of the most visited portals
technology
in Brazil. It would be a shot in the foot of the TDF/LibreOffice.
Sorry, but I thought that the international community could have some
autonomy to decide on this issue. And the comparison with the OOo seemed
a
little exaggerated.
The North American Community DVD project is using our portal[s] for
community based testing of the DVDs online, and later for hosting ISO
versions of the DVDs. We are going to have a version hosted on the
TDF/LibreOffice sponsored site. But that site may not have all the
extras
that we want on our discs. 3 GB total for the Win/Mac/Linux version and
1.6
GB for the Windows only version. We are in the alpha/beta of the Spanish
translation of our English DVDs. They are to be found at our portal [
libreoffice-na.us ].
Still in Brazil, as you may know, a lack of harmony between groups whose
interests were different. It is no exaggeration for me to bet on two
Brazilian communities of LibreOffice, since we do not share with them
ideas,
particularly as regards the issue of expert technical support and paid
behind NGOs and businesses.
We want a truly free community that aggregates other communities also
free. But
if the Steering Committee find that we are treading a wrong path, please
let
us know.
I anticipate that I am against centralization in the structure of TDF in
relation to the decision of the Brazilian community. Another NGO has
emerged
here in Brazil and its goals are clear (http://www.alta.org.br/). I
have
no
idea who created it, but I can also understand that it is "external
website
à la OO.o", correct?
Regards,
Luiz Oliveira
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