Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations

Hello Luiz,

2011/5/7 Luiz Oliveira <lcoluiggi@gmail.com>

> Hi Charles,
>
>
>
> > > this is just a quick question to our local communities - who is
> regularly
> > > > translating our announcements (like beta3, beta4 and the like) into
> > their
> > > > local language and distributes it to the community and the local
> press?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Here in Brazil we have several translators. Once translated, we publish
> > > inour
> > > portal (libreoffice.org.br) and disclose in the various communication
> > > channels such as Twitter, local mailing list, facebook and press
> release
> > to
> > > the
> > > press.
> >
> > I'm a bit surprised, why using an external website? you could publish it
> > here, on the brazilian webpages. I hope we're not getting into the
> fashion
> > of external websites à la OpenOffice.org again :(
>
> The Brazilian community has some different characteristics from other
> communities around the world. We went through dramatic changes recently. We
> made many discussions on local listings. The NGO was extinguished. The
> BrOffice brand has been disabled and LibreOffice replaced it. We are
> advancing!!
To me the different characteristics were because of the past times of Sun
and Oracle. Brazilians (Claudio, Olivier, David) have been founding TDF.
Different characteristics could have been considered from the onset. So
whatever happened in terms of personal clashes and conflicts, I'm sorry but
I don't want to know about that. Please read on.



> The Brazilian community has decided to be called "Colibri" after long
> discussions. We also decided that we would not turn off our portal site (
> libreoffice.org.br), since it is one of the most visited portals
> technology
> in Brazil. It would be a shot in the foot of the TDF/LibreOffice.

It seems I may have gotten this wrong. What I see here is a website that is
not TDF but that takes the name and brand LibreOffice. That's not really a
good start, I think. I'm sure that Claudio and Olivier know that LibreOffice
domains and brands belong to TDF, right? So I investigated further. And I'm
somewhat shocked and very displeased by what I found. If I go to here:
http://www.documentfoundation.org.br ... it redirects to libreoffice.org.br,
and not to documentfoundation.org .
You do realize that neither Colibri nor "ALTA" are the Document Foundation?
So you are confusing users and contributors. This is very troubling. Please
redirect documentfoundation.org.br to documentfoundation.org at once.



> Sorry, but I thought that the international community could have some
> autonomy to decide on this issue. And the comparison with the OOo seemed a
> little exaggerated.

It is quite adequate. The international communities do have lots of autonomy
but when it comes to call itself by names and brands, sorry, that's
different.


> Still in Brazil, as you may know, a lack of harmony between groups whose
> interests were different. It is no exaggeration for me to bet on two
> Brazilian communities of LibreOffice, since we do not share with them
> ideas,
> particularly as regards the issue of expert technical support and paid
> behind NGOs and businesses.

You do realize, of course, that it is not the business of TDF?

> We want a truly free community that aggregates other communities also free.



I'm not sure what it means...


> But
> if the Steering Committee find that we are treading a wrong path, please
> let
> us know.

For one thing these domain names are very, very problematic. What I still
don't understand is why you would not even redirect www.libreoffice.org.brto
libreoffice.org's brazilian pages? It's completely ludicrous.


> I anticipate that I am against centralization in the structure of TDF in
> relation to the decision of the Brazilian community.


TDF has not been informed of this decision. As for centralization, it's not
a centralization, it's respecting trademarks and not calling itself by a
name that misrepresents the reality.


> Another NGO has emerged
> here in Brazil and its goals are clear (http://www.alta.org.br/). I have
> no
> idea who created it, but I can also understand that it is "external website
> à la OO.o", correct?

Not at all. For at least 2 different reasons.
1) they don't use the name Libre office nor TDF in their own name and brand.
2) they seem -I don't speak Brazilian- to claim to provide professional
services around libreoffice. That's prefectly normal. Anybody can claim
that, but not everybody can claim he/she represents LibreOffice nor TDF. As
for who they are, I read they are the "Associaçao Libre de Tecnologias
Abertas".

Best,

Charles.


> Regards,
>
> Luiz Oliveira
>
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