Date: prev next · Thread: first prev next last
2011 Archives by date, by thread · List index

Ok, Charles

Now I understood everything.

I do not have to make the change that is requesting. I'm just a volunteer whose
goal is to contribute to the TDF and LibreOffice here in Brazil, besides
being the editor of the BrOffice Magazine(I think we can not use LibreOffice
in the magazine too, right?).
I'll do what I can, or say goodbye to all.


Luiz Oliveira

2011/5/7 Charles-H. Schulz <>

Hello Luiz,

2011/5/7 Luiz Oliveira <>

Hi Charles,

this is just a quick question to our local communities - who is
translating our announcements (like beta3, beta4 and the like) into
local language and distributes it to the community and the local

Here in Brazil we have several translators. Once translated, we
portal ( and disclose in the various
channels such as Twitter, local mailing list, facebook and press

I'm a bit surprised, why using an external website? you could publish
here, on the brazilian webpages. I hope we're not getting into the
of external websites à la again :(

The Brazilian community has some different characteristics from other
communities around the world. We went through dramatic changes recently.
made many discussions on local listings. The NGO was extinguished. The
BrOffice brand has been disabled and LibreOffice replaced it. We are

To me the different characteristics were because of the past times of Sun
and Oracle. Brazilians (Claudio, Olivier, David) have been founding TDF.
Different characteristics could have been considered from the onset. So
whatever happened in terms of personal clashes and conflicts, I'm sorry but
I don't want to know about that. Please read on.

The Brazilian community has decided to be called "Colibri" after long
discussions. We also decided that we would not turn off our portal site (, since it is one of the most visited portals
in Brazil. It would be a shot in the foot of the TDF/LibreOffice.

It seems I may have gotten this wrong. What I see here is a website that is
not TDF but that takes the name and brand LibreOffice. That's not really a
good start, I think. I'm sure that Claudio and Olivier know that
domains and brands belong to TDF, right? So I investigated further. And I'm
somewhat shocked and very displeased by what I found. If I go to here: ... it redirects to,
and not to .
You do realize that neither Colibri nor "ALTA" are the Document Foundation?
So you are confusing users and contributors. This is very troubling. Please
redirect to at once.

Sorry, but I thought that the international community could have some
autonomy to decide on this issue. And the comparison with the OOo seemed
little exaggerated.

It is quite adequate. The international communities do have lots of
but when it comes to call itself by names and brands, sorry, that's

Still in Brazil, as you may know, a lack of harmony between groups whose
interests were different. It is no exaggeration for me to bet on two
Brazilian communities of LibreOffice, since we do not share with them
particularly as regards the issue of expert technical support and paid
behind NGOs and businesses.

You do realize, of course, that it is not the business of TDF?

We want a truly free community that aggregates other communities also

I'm not sure what it means...

if the Steering Committee find that we are treading a wrong path, please
us know.

For one thing these domain names are very, very problematic. What I still
don't understand is why you would not even redirect's brazilian pages? It's completely ludicrous.

I anticipate that I am against centralization in the structure of TDF in
relation to the decision of the Brazilian community.

TDF has not been informed of this decision. As for centralization, it's not
a centralization, it's respecting trademarks and not calling itself by a
name that misrepresents the reality.

Another NGO has emerged
here in Brazil and its goals are clear ( I have
idea who created it, but I can also understand that it is "external
à la OO.o", correct?

Not at all. For at least 2 different reasons.
1) they don't use the name Libre office nor TDF in their own name and
2) they seem -I don't speak Brazilian- to claim to provide professional
services around libreoffice. That's prefectly normal. Anybody can claim
that, but not everybody can claim he/she represents LibreOffice nor TDF. As
for who they are, I read they are the "Associaçao Libre de Tecnologias




Luiz Oliveira

Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Posting guidelines + more:
List archive:
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be

Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Posting guidelines + more:
List archive:
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be

Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to
Posting guidelines + more:
List archive:
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted


Privacy Policy | Impressum (Legal Info) | Copyright information: Unless otherwise specified, all text and images on this website are licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 License. This does not include the source code of LibreOffice, which is licensed under the Mozilla Public License (MPLv2). "LibreOffice" and "The Document Foundation" are registered trademarks of their corresponding registered owners or are in actual use as trademarks in one or more countries. Their respective logos and icons are also subject to international copyright laws. Use thereof is explained in our trademark policy.