Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations

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From: luiz <lcoluiggi@gmail.com>
To: marketing@libreoffice.org
Sent: Sun, 8 May, 2011 18:21:25
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] PR translations

David,

> Hi Luiz,
>
> I think there´s a misunderstanding here. We´re not representatives of the
> brazilian community, nor we will ever be. We are only 3 co-founders of TDF,
> we should be here to help. Neither more nor less than anyone, understand?
>
> Here´s not Oracle, got you? ;-)
>
> In this context, all that are participating in the brasilian community has
> the same voice that I have, or you, or Paulo Lima, or anyone else, see?
The confusion is in the word "representative". When I say this, I do not
mean a position in the hierarchy, but people who are closest to the SC.
What I see from this discussion is that a little lack of communication.
The insistence on making comparisons with Oracle and OOo annoys me. I
know that TDF is differentand I thank God for that. I saw clearly that
when the TDF has denied Olivier's request asking for the replacement of
Claudio. So the question here is this, like it or not you are considered
leaders for us. You see,leaders not bosses!

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> 2011/5/8 luiz <lcoluiggi@gmail.com>
>
> > Happy Mother's Day for all,
> >
> > After intervention of Paulo and David I need to clarify some points.
> > There is no suspicion against TDF. We embrace the cause for seven months
> > with great joy. TDF does not know the Brazilian community, only a few people
> > (Claudio, Olivier, David).
>
> That´s not true. TDF know the brasilian community and wanna keep a good
> relationship with everybody in Brazil. A member of the SC answer your
> questions and clarify to you some points. Do you know when that could be
> possible to happens in the same situation, under Oracle´s control? Never,
> see?
>
> In this situation, TDF is trully meritocratic, as you can see. There´s no
> border´s here, dude? ;-)
I have no doubt about this. But still I believe that the TDF does not
know the Brazilian Community in its entirety. Or at least do not know
all the discussion about BrOffice's infrastructure. Or, am I misinformed.
> (cut)
>
> > As you tend to be quite pragmatic, I'll try to explain the situation well
> > in practice. What is the problem here?
> >
> > - Domain redirection: Is there an agreement? Who did? When? Who is failing?
> That´s a good start! This agreement was made by Claudio and Olivier to the
> TDF. Verbally and/or per e-mail and/or by messengers.
>
> The domains ".org.br" are under the responsibility of Claudio, since ever,
> and he always knew that. If he never told you or for the community, maybe
> you should ask him why.
We made a long discussion in open list (gubro-br) here on this topic.
But nobody said it had an agreement. So I think we have bad
communication. Now I know this, make sure that I will take this
discussion forward here.
> > - This discussion arose after a question from Florian: Who translates Press
> > Releases and how are they published in local communities? Replied on
> > condition of community volunteer LibreOffice Brazil in the area of
> > Communication.
> >
> > You say, Charles, you do not care about internal problems of the Brazilian
> > community. However, the Brazilians who represent us in the TDF do not seem
> > to talk.
> As I said, we´re not representatives for the brazilian community, we're just
> TDF co-founders. The position of a "br-representative" creates a dangerous
> figure of centralization and filtering contacts with TDF, and TDF don´t want
> this at all.
ok
> So, be sure the TDF is happy and really thankful for your help.
>
> Maybe someone told you that could possible make some political trampoline
> into the TDF. For this hypothesis, the answer is clear: TDF is not political
> platform for anybody. 
Mistaken belief in my view..I help as I can, within my possibilities. I
follow only my idiosyncrasies. And finally, no one ever said this to
me(political platform or anything like that).
> Not at all. TDF is meritocratic and be sure, your help
> will be allways wellcome.
ok
> > And I, Paulo, and all the other volunteers of this great Brazilian
> > community has nothing to do with it.
> Therefore, you have an open channel to talk with the TDF, not as
> representative of the brazilian community, but as representative of
> yourself.
That's what I'm doing now, right?

Then, our entire structure (historical, mailing lists, the magazine's
website) must be migrated toTDF's infra, right?Our domains should be
redirected to http://pt-br.libreoffice.org/?

Is developing a portal to the Journal BrOffice (LibreOffice) currently
hosted on http://revista.broffice.org/. What is the suggestion in this case?

Regards,
Luiz Oliveira


Hi :)
I think the point is that you are being given advice or guidance NOT rules or 
orders.  Hopefully this opens up possibilities so that you can make a choice 
whether to keep going as you are or re-organise and stream-line things a bit.

At least i think that's what is going on?
Regards from
Tom :)

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