Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fixing new spell out numbering styles in LibreOffice 6.1

Hi László,

I forgot to remark that there are differences regarding point 2, in 
french/belgian/swiss usage for 70, 80, 90 and associated numbers, which 
are already covered in numbertext.github.io.

Am 04.05.2018 um 00:40 schrieb Gerhard Weydt:
> Hi László,
>
> not an easy task you have set out to accomplish! I think you will have 
> to hope that more than one person per language will answer, because it 
> will be easy to overlook some specialty, as a native speaker uses 
> these terms without much thinking about.
>
> Here are my answers for German, I hope they are complete as regards 
> German for Germany, but I don't swear to it:
>
> Am 03.05.2018 um 18:57 schrieb Németh László:
> > Hi,
> >
> > LibreOffice 6.1 will support “spell out” numbering styles of OOXML (One,
> > Two...; First, Second..., 1st, 2nd...),
> > as you can see in the following screen cast (only English, French and
> > German examples):
> >
> >   https://youtu.be/c0j4Sjie8t4 <https://youtu.be/c0j4Sjie8t4>
> >
> > My questions to the native language speakers:
> >
> > 1. Are these numbers correct in your language?
> For German one can only see cardinal numbers which are OK, including 
> the reverse order for the last two digits (e.g. 43 = forty-three = 
> dreiundvierzig).
> > You can check here, too: https://numbertext.github.io/
> > index.html#testimonials
> Ordinal numbers seem also to be OK (gender problem see below); ordinal 
> indicator is simply a point/dot, as supplied in that site, so that's 
> easy.
> > 2. Do we need to change the default format etc. according to the normal
> > usage of your country/language variant?
> >
> > For example, in the recent implementation, British English and American
> > English differ with the “and”
> >
> > 101 -> “One hundred and one”: en-AU, en-GB, en-IE, en-NZ
> > 101 -> “One hundred one”: en-US etc.
> As regards this example, you may indeed say "einhundertundeins" or 
> "einhunderteins" or even "hunderteins" and also "hundertundeins", 
> which all will be regarded as correct, but the version 
> "einhunderteins", which is also proposed by numbertext.github.io, is 
> in my opinion the most common and sufficient for all German-speaking 
> communities.
> But there is one difference between german (and austrian and probably 
> luxembourgian) and swiss usage (and I don't know which is followed by 
> Liechtenstein): The Swiss don't use ß, but ss, so thirty = dreißig 
> (Germany...), but dreissig (Switzerland). This is, for numbers, the 
> only difference I know of; numbertext.github.io reflects this correctly.
> > 3. Is it enough to support only a single gender in Spanish etc. 
> > languages
> > to cover common outline and page number usage in publishing?
> >
> > Book/Part/Chapter/Section/Page/Paragraph One, or simply One (normal 
> > usage
> > in English outline numbering)
> > First Book/Part/Chapter/Section/Page/Paragraph (less common in 
> > English, but
> > default numbering styles cover this, too)
> No, it's not sufficient, if you intend to support the second style. 
> For the first style cardinal numbers are used, so there's no problem. 
> But for the ordinal numbers needed for the second style you have to 
> respect the three genders:
> In the sequence of your example:
> Erstes Buch/Erster Teil/Erstes Kapitel/Erster Abschnitt/Erste 
> Seite/Erster Absatz
> or with gender:
> neutral Buch/male Teil/neutral Kapitel/male Abschnitt/female 
> Seite/male Absatz
> Luckily, these suffixes ("s" for neutral, "r" for male, none for 
> female, in addition to the form supplied by numbertext.github.io) are 
> regular; and for the form "the first..." (don't know the grammatical 
> term in English), if you should also cover it, there is only the 
> female form which you already find in numbertext.github.io.
> This, though, rises the question how to specify which gender should be 
> used in a certain context.
> Personally I would not object if you do not implement the second 
> style, as it sounds antiquated, although it was certainly used. Even 
> the first style (using text for a number) I would regard as 
> uncommon/rare.
> > Note: there is a plan to use similar spell out formats in currency 
> > and date
> > formats of Writer, typical in contracts and invoices in several
> > languages. These formats are only supported in Calc yet by the 
> > NUMBERTEXT
> > Calc extension (or also in Writer macros via the new
> > com.sun.star.linguistic2.NumberText
> > service).
> Cardinal Number as seen above is OK for currency.
> For date there are/may be differences, I know of one: Austrians use 
> "Jänner" instead of "Januar" for january normally, also on TV, for 
> example, but I cannot say if using "Januar" as in Germany would be OK 
> for Austria as well.
> > Best regards,
> > László
> >
> > P.S: A recent question (comes from Rene Engelhard) for Hebrew 
> > contributors:
> >
> > Is the Hebrew correct in the next line of resource file of the 
> > Numbertext
> > Calc extension:
> >
> > <name lang="he">NUMBERTEXT() וMONEYTEXT() פונקציות גליון Calc</name>
> Gerhard


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