Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Fixing new spell out numbering styles in LibreOffice 6.1

Hi László,

not an easy task you have set out to accomplish! I think you will have 
to hope that more than one person per language will answer, because it 
will be easy to overlook some specialty, as a native speaker uses these 
terms without much thinking about.

Here are my answers for German, I hope they are complete as regards 
German for Germany, but I don't swear to it:

Am 03.05.2018 um 18:57 schrieb Németh László:
> Hi,
>
> LibreOffice 6.1 will support “spell out” numbering styles of OOXML (One,
> Two...; First, Second..., 1st, 2nd...),
> as you can see in the following screen cast (only English, French and
> German examples):
>
>   https://youtu.be/c0j4Sjie8t4 <https://youtu.be/c0j4Sjie8t4>
>
> My questions to the native language speakers:
>
> 1. Are these numbers correct in your language?
For German one can only see cardinal numbers which are OK, including the 
reverse order for the last two digits (e.g. 43 = forty-three = 
dreiundvierzig).
> You can check here, too: https://numbertext.github.io/
> index.html#testimonials
Ordinal numbers seem also to be OK (gender problem see below); ordinal 
indicator is simply a point/dot, as supplied in that site, so that's easy.
> 2. Do we need to change the default format etc. according to the normal
> usage of your country/language variant?
>
> For example, in the recent implementation, British English and American
> English differ with the “and”
>
> 101 -> “One hundred and one”: en-AU, en-GB, en-IE, en-NZ
> 101 -> “One hundred one”: en-US etc.
As regards this example, you may indeed say "einhundertundeins" or 
"einhunderteins" or even "hunderteins" and also "hundertundeins", which 
all will be regarded as correct, but the version "einhunderteins", which 
is also proposed by numbertext.github.io, is in my opinion the most 
common and sufficient for all German-speaking communities.
But there is one difference between german (and austrian and probably 
luxembourgian) and swiss usage (and I don't know which is followed by 
Liechtenstein): The Swiss don't use ß, but ss, so thirty = dreißig 
(Germany...), but dreissig (Switzerland). This is, for numbers, the only 
difference I know of; numbertext.github.io reflects this correctly.
> 3. Is it enough to support only a single gender in Spanish etc. languages
> to cover common outline and page number usage in publishing?
>
> Book/Part/Chapter/Section/Page/Paragraph One, or simply One (normal usage
> in English outline numbering)
> First Book/Part/Chapter/Section/Page/Paragraph (less common in English, but
> default numbering styles cover this, too)
No, it's not sufficient, if you intend to support the second style. For 
the first style cardinal numbers are used, so there's no problem. But 
for the ordinal numbers needed for the second style you have to respect 
the three genders:
In the sequence of your example:
Erstes Buch/Erster Teil/Erstes Kapitel/Erster Abschnitt/Erste 
Seite/Erster Absatz
or with gender:
neutral Buch/male Teil/neutral Kapitel/male Abschnitt/female Seite/male 
Absatz
Luckily, these suffixes ("s" for neutral, "r" for male, none for female, 
in addition to the form supplied by numbertext.github.io) are regular; 
and for the form "the first..." (don't know the grammatical term in 
English), if you should also cover it, there is only the female form 
which you already find in numbertext.github.io.
This, though, rises the question how to specify which gender should be 
used in a certain context.
Personally I would not object if you do not implement the second style, 
as it sounds antiquated, although it was certainly used. Even the first 
style (using text for a number) I would regard as uncommon/rare.
> Note: there is a plan to use similar spell out formats in currency and date
> formats of Writer, typical in contracts and invoices in several
> languages. These formats are only supported in Calc yet by the NUMBERTEXT
> Calc extension (or also in Writer macros via the new
> com.sun.star.linguistic2.NumberText
> service).
Cardinal Number as seen above is OK for currency.
For date there are/may be differences, I know of one: Austrians use 
"Jänner" instead of "Januar" for january normally, also on TV, for 
example, but I cannot say if using "Januar" as in Germany would be OK 
for Austria as well.
> Best regards,
> László
>
> P.S: A recent question (comes from Rene Engelhard) for Hebrew contributors:
>
> Is the Hebrew correct in the next line of resource file of the Numbertext
> Calc extension:
>
> <name lang="he">NUMBERTEXT() וMONEYTEXT() פונקציות גליון Calc</name>
Gerhard

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