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Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus

"Mirek M." <mazelm -AT- gmail.com>
Sat, 24 Sep 2011 00:28:22 +0200

Hi Andrew,

2011/9/13 Andrew Pullins <android2772@gmail.com>

Mirek, and anyone interested

I have read your blog and found your Citrus.svg, I started looking through
it.  Once I figured out how things worked, I started modifying some things
here and there. Not knowing how best to get these modifications to you. Now
that I have your attention I have uploaded my version of Citrus.svg to
Google docs.  I would like to hear your ideas on my changes.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7y5FMHPsyaNNGJkZDY0ZDItOGNhNi00MzMzLThlNTUtZWU2ZmIyMmYyZmJi&hl=en_US
<https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v
πd=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7y5FMHPsyaNNGJkZDY0ZDItOGNhNi00MzMzLThlNTUtZWU2ZmIyMmYyZmJi&hl=en_US>


Wow, cool. It's great to see someone playing with this -- makes me feel all
warm inside :)

I hope you like the changes that I have made. Here is a list of some things

I
have done. My main focus was on Calc since you have not done anything on
it.
I wanted to see how it would look.


Actually, I sort of made a quick draft of Calc a while ago, but then dropped
it, because I really don't use Calc (except in extremely rare situations)
and because Calc is a bit different from the three applications that I have
mocked up (e.g. it's not presentation based, Calc files are meant to be
viewed in the same view as they're edited in, whereas Impress files are
viewed fullscreen, Writer files on paper or in PDF, ...). Nevertheless, I've
revived it a bit, incorporated it into a new Citrus SVG file:
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B_RBf0YVtxzkYWFmYjM3YmQtYmU3OC00Zjg3LWE0MzctMTljNDJmY2NlOGM3


Fizz: Made one for tables.



Thanks :). I'm calling fizz the floatbar now, for less confusion (I'm
suffixing everything that holds commands with -bar now).
BTW, the floatbar doesn't need "Visible buttons" and "Customize Fizz"
buttons, as the ellipsis menu shows ALL the remaining commands pertaining to
the object (it shows everything the menu does). Customization of both the
toolbar and the floatbar would be done either through drag-and-drop from/to
the ellipsis menu or in "Options."


Changed Fizz so that there is Text and Tables.
Changed Ellipses to go with tables.


Writer:

Menus:

Documents: Now have a rename and move - this will allow the user to rename
or move the document while still writing it so they do not need to get out
of the document before they may do this.

+1


Navigator:

 Comments: Made comments in the navigator - the comment navigator moves the
page to the left and hides the page beyond the margins. They will appear
next to the page where the in-text comment lies, much like they do now. I
do
not know how to use the navigator buttons at the bottom, so I hid that.

I'd keep comments inline, like now, separate from the Navigator. Navigator
should present a quickly browseable list of comments.


Page Bottom:

 Added to the add page button. Now it shows a preview like impress. Like
impress you will be able to select the page format, but also whether the is
a page or section break, whether it will have headers/footers or not, and
what orientation it is in.  I did not add this but selecting headers will
change the icons to look like they have headers/footers, same goes with
orientation.


Nice -- adds consistency (my original plan was to have "Add page" just
insert a page, but that really would be inconsistent). I tweaked it a bit --
removed the "section break" bit, since it's really a button just for a new
page (page break), and the "header/footer" bit, since that should be addable
just by (double?)-clicking in the general header/footer area (this bit of
behavior isn't in LibO yet). Plus I added a "Page number" item.



Calc:

and all of calc is new.  I did all the icons vary quick so they my not look


that good.


Some notes: the function toolbar shouldn't really contain a box for

symbols. The main toolbar is really just a single-line thing. Plus, symbols
should be inserted through the insertbar (the toolbox on the left) or
through Insert>Special character.


in the mock up I added * to the begenning of what I changed of yours. hope
you like it.



Great -- I'm happy to have someone excited about this project.
I'm just wondering whether it will have any impact, whether this will really
be worked on...


On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Pullins <android2772@gmail.com

wrote:

Hello Mirek

I have been wanting to talk to you for some time about your designs.

Right now, I also don't have an internet connection at home -- I
should have it soon, but right now I have to resort to visiting the

public

library for internet.



that sucks I have had to do that for a while too.

He also was so kind to join our ideas collection
when we've collected menu alternatives within the OpenOffice.org
Renaissance project. Here is his proposal:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Miroslav_Mazel

That's a very old proposal -- I definitely wouldn't stand by it now.

at

the time, I was smitten with Microsoft's ribbon, and, instead of looking
at what in the ribbon is an improvement over the old way of working

(like

better


 organization or contextuality) and what was a detriment (e.g. too much

space
taken up, having to click tabs to get to functionality that should be
available up front, ...), I just flatly wanted OOo to emulate the ribbon
(knee-jerk reaction).



I was suprised by this, because I read your blog and know that you do not
like the ribbon system. I still like the ribbon UI for it is so much

better

than the curent LO UI. I was in the middle of designing a UI for LO that

made for a program that I was making(you can see them here
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Android272).  but once I found
your UI consepts and got the contextualty of them, I feel in love, and
started changing little parts of my program to suport the citus UI.

I have been working of a moc citrus Calc. I saw that you do not have Calc
done at all and have a lot of impress done. do you just not use Calc, and
are more inspired with impress.  I love what you have done.

cheers
Andrew

It is something I would say that we need to be working


 > > toward.  What is going on with LibreOffice right now.  Other than

bugs

getting fixed, what else is going on?


It depends on the point-of-view ... currently I'd say there is no

chance

to completely revise the UI in one-shot (for several reasons).

Instead,

it would be good to focus on manageable improvements for Design,
Development, QA, ...

There have been regular posts on what is wrong with details of the UI

it just needs somebody to take care of that (e.g. the zoom slider

which

has been mentioned some days ago). That should help us to in a

position

for larger changes.

Cheers,
Christoh


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On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Cheng-Chia Tseng <pswo10680@gmail.com
wrote:

I admire "Citrus UI" too.
If we never try, we will never know it fits or not.

I am curious about how GNOME Shell or Unity shell gets their new design
done.
We defenetly can learn some experience from these projects.


On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Mirek M. <mazelm@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew, Christoph,

2011/9/6 Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>

Hi Andrew!

Am Montag, den 05.09.2011, 20:16 -0400 schrieb Andrew Pullins:

Hello all,

Does any one know what has happened to the guy designing the

"Citrus

UI."

have been trying to get a hold of him so we can collaborate on his

UI

designs. I am really interested in making LibreOffice look good,

and

his

designs are great.


Yep, there are some terrific ideas - he was (and I hope: is) with us
since quite some time.



Yes, I'm still here, though I don't have the time to read through all

the

e-mails. Right now, I also don't have an internet connection at home

--

should have it soon, but right now I have to resort to visiting the

public

library for internet.

He also was so kind to join our ideas collection
when we've collected menu alternatives within the OpenOffice.org
Renaissance project. Here is his proposal:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Miroslav_Mazel

That's a very old proposal -- I definitely wouldn't stand by it now.

At

the

time, I was smitten with Microsoft's ribbon, and, instead of looking

at

what

in the ribbon is an improvement over the old way of working (like

better

organization or contextuality) and what was a detriment (e.g. too much

space

taken up, having to click tabs to get to functionality that should be
available up front, ...), I just flatly wanted OOo to emulate the

ribbon

(knee-jerk reaction). I was also unconcerned with ease of use and an
uninterrupted workflow, instead giving importance to feature-richness

(hence

the tabs, the "tattoed" scroll bar, etc.). And, looking back at the
proposal, it's a bit hard to read, no?

In summary, please disregard that proposal :)

It is something I would say that we need to be working
toward.  What is going on with LibreOffice right now.  Other than

bugs

getting fixed, what else is going on?


It depends on the point-of-view ... currently I'd say there is no

chance

to completely revise the UI in one-shot (for several reasons).

Instead,

it would be good to focus on manageable improvements for Design,
Development, QA, ...

There have been regular posts on what is wrong with details of the UI

it just needs somebody to take care of that (e.g. the zoom slider

which

has been mentioned some days ago). That should help us to in a

position

for larger changes.

Cheers,
Christoh


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Context

[libreoffice-design] citrus · Andrew Pullins
- Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Christoph Noack
  - Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Andrew Pullins
    - How development develops ... (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus) · Christoph Noack
      - Re: How development develops ... (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus) · Andrew Pullins
  - Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Mirek M.
    - Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Cheng-Chia Tseng
      - Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Andrew Pullins
        
        Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Andrew Pullins
        
        Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · David Nelson
        
        Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Mirek M.
        
        Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Andrew Pullins
        Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Andrew Pullins
        
        Re: [libreoffice-design] citrus · Mirek M.

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