Mirek, and anyone interested I have read your blog and found your Citrus.svg, I started looking through it. Once I figured out how things worked, I started modifying some things here and there. Not knowing how best to get these modifications to you. Now that I have your attention I have uploaded my version of Citrus.svg to Google docs. I would like to hear your ideas on my changes. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7y5FMHPsyaNNGJkZDY0ZDItOGNhNi00MzMzLThlNTUtZWU2ZmIyMmYyZmJi&hl=en_US<https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=vπd=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B7y5FMHPsyaNNGJkZDY0ZDItOGNhNi00MzMzLThlNTUtZWU2ZmIyMmYyZmJi&hl=en_US> I hope you like the changes that I have made. Here is a list of some things I have done. My main focus was on Calc since you have not done anything on it. I wanted to see how it would look. Fizz: Made one for tables. Changed Fizz so that there is Text and Tables. Changed Ellipses to go with tables. Writer: Menus: Documents: Now have a rename and move - this will allow the user to rename or move the document while still writing it so they do not need to get out of the document before they may do this. Navigator: Comments: Made comments in the navigator - the comment navigator moves the page to the left and hides the page beyond the margins. They will appear next to the page where the in-text comment lies, much like they do now. I do not know how to use the navigator buttons at the bottom, so I hid that. Page Bottom: Added to the add page button. Now it shows a preview like impress. Like impress you will be able to select the page format, but also whether the is a page or section break, whether it will have headers/footers or not, and what orientation it is in. I did not add this but selecting headers will change the icons to look like they have headers/footers, same goes with orientation. Calc: and all of calc is new. I did all the icons vary quick so they my not look that good. in the mock up I added * to the begenning of what I changed of yours. hope you like it. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Andrew Pullins <android2772@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello Mirek I have been wanting to talk to you for some time about your designs.Right now, I also don't have an internet connection at home -- I should have it soon, but right now I have to resort to visiting the public library for internet.that sucks I have had to do that for a while too.He also was so kind to join our ideas collection when we've collected menu alternatives within the OpenOffice.org Renaissance project. Here is his proposal: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Miroslav_Mazel That's a very old proposal -- I definitely wouldn't stand by it now. atthe time, I was smitten with Microsoft's ribbon, and, instead of looking at what in the ribbon is an improvement over the old way of working (like betterorganization or contextuality) and what was a detriment (e.g. too muchspace taken up, having to click tabs to get to functionality that should be available up front, ...), I just flatly wanted OOo to emulate the ribbon (knee-jerk reaction).I was suprised by this, because I read your blog and know that you do not like the ribbon system. I still like the ribbon UI for it is so much better than the curent LO UI. I was in the middle of designing a UI for LO that I made for a program that I was making(you can see them here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Android272). but once I found your UI consepts and got the contextualty of them, I feel in love, and started changing little parts of my program to suport the citus UI. I have been working of a moc citrus Calc. I saw that you do not have Calc done at all and have a lot of impress done. do you just not use Calc, and are more inspired with impress. I love what you have done. cheers AndrewIt is something I would say that we need to be working> > toward. What is going on with LibreOffice right now. Other thanbugsgetting fixed, what else is going on?It depends on the point-of-view ... currently I'd say there is no chance to completely revise the UI in one-shot (for several reasons). Instead, it would be good to focus on manageable improvements for Design, Development, QA, ... There have been regular posts on what is wrong with details of the UI - it just needs somebody to take care of that (e.g. the zoom slider which has been mentioned some days ago). That should help us to in a position for larger changes. Cheers, Christoh -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deletedOn Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Cheng-Chia Tseng <pswo10680@gmail.com>wrote:I admire "Citrus UI" too. If we never try, we will never know it fits or not. I am curious about how GNOME Shell or Unity shell gets their new design done. We defenetly can learn some experience from these projects. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:59 PM, Mirek M. <mazelm@gmail.com> wrote:Hi Andrew, Christoph, 2011/9/6 Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>Hi Andrew! Am Montag, den 05.09.2011, 20:16 -0400 schrieb Andrew Pullins:Hello all, Does any one know what has happened to the guy designing the "CitrusUI."Ihave been trying to get a hold of him so we can collaborate on his UI designs. I am really interested in making LibreOffice look good, andhisdesigns are great.Yep, there are some terrific ideas - he was (and I hope: is) with us since quite some time.Yes, I'm still here, though I don't have the time to read through allthee-mails. Right now, I also don't have an internet connection at home --Ishould have it soon, but right now I have to resort to visiting thepubliclibrary for internet.He also was so kind to join our ideas collection when we've collected menu alternatives within the OpenOffice.org Renaissance project. Here is his proposal: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Proposal_by_Miroslav_Mazel That's a very old proposal -- I definitely wouldn't stand by it now. Atthetime, I was smitten with Microsoft's ribbon, and, instead of looking atwhatin the ribbon is an improvement over the old way of working (like better organization or contextuality) and what was a detriment (e.g. too muchspacetaken up, having to click tabs to get to functionality that should be available up front, ...), I just flatly wanted OOo to emulate the ribbon (knee-jerk reaction). I was also unconcerned with ease of use and an uninterrupted workflow, instead giving importance to feature-richness(hencethe tabs, the "tattoed" scroll bar, etc.). And, looking back at the proposal, it's a bit hard to read, no? In summary, please disregard that proposal :)It is something I would say that we need to be working toward. What is going on with LibreOffice right now. Other thanbugsgetting fixed, what else is going on?It depends on the point-of-view ... currently I'd say there is nochanceto completely revise the UI in one-shot (for several reasons). Instead, it would be good to focus on manageable improvements for Design, Development, QA, ... There have been regular posts on what is wrong with details of the UI - it just needs somebody to take care of that (e.g. the zoom slider which has been mentioned some days ago). That should help us to in a position for larger changes. Cheers, Christoh -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+help@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted-- Q: Why is this email five sentences or less? 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