Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

Hi Astron!

Since I'm running out of time, just a short reply :-)

Am Samstag, den 23.04.2011, 22:10 +0200 schrieb Astron:
> Hey there,
>
> > The downsides I can think of:
> >      * The additional button made it easier to distinguish between the
> >        Paragraph and Paragraph Styles Dialog
> >      * The button below all tabs makes clear that pressing it might
> >        affect all dialog elements (which by the way is not true for the
> >        today's buttons in this dialog)
> >      * It might be easier for users to find this functionality (well,
> >        its there all the time)
> >      * Changes in this dialog affects a lot of documentation, so we
> >        have to be careful with any changes here
> >
> > My proposal: Let's collect the improvements proposals for this dialog
> > (along with the generic button stuff by Astron. Could you be so kind to
> > add this to the wiki, please?
>
> I want to present a first entrant to the contest:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Organizer-rdsgn.png . I felt
> my first hand-drawn sketches were a bit too rough and unintelligible
> which is why this is made in Inkscape.

Oh, I really liked your sketches! Here is something I've wrote about
last year:
http://uxopenofficeorg.blogspot.com/2010/05/picture-is-worth-thousand-words.html

> Anyway, it is a bit of a departure from the current Organiser page, so
> this design would probably render obsolete much of the documentation
> -- I'd be willing to help there, though (as long as it's not on the
> order of hundreds of help pages).

Oh, sorry, I haven't been clear enough here ... we have a great
documentation team, but nevertheless, such changes will have affect on:
internal/wiki help, external documentation, training material ... in
almost 100 languages ... and also the training effort (in companies).
And that's the real issue - and that's what requires to be very careful
about change affecting many users.

> * this mock-up doesn't use "AutoCorrect", but rather something that I
> hope is more digestable: "automatically update this style when
> formatting is changed directly" (I suppose the wording could still be
> improved)

True, already improved ... :-) But, at some point we have to keep two
things in mind (don't worry, let's first discuss the behavioral and
structural changes):
      * there is an OOo styleguide how UI / help texts should be written
        (to be consistent throughout LibreOffice)
      * we are heavily affected by the size of the dialogs, since
        English is a rather "compact" language, but the dialog size has
        to reserve space for other languages (rule of thumb: English
        +40...60% space) --> we really need a layout manager, grrr

> * the field "Contains" is replaced by a more ordered and professional
> looking list, from which single items can be selected and removed

Using the list alone is a great improvement already :-)

> * the standard button is now a "reset to '[Style]'" button
> * I've changed some wording and (unintentionally) left out the "Style
> class" combobox that should of course go under "References."

How about moving the "Inherits from" above the "Style defines", then it
might be clearer how "inheritance" works?.

Great work, really! I'm sorry that my time is so limited at the moment,
so my support is rather limited ... so please feel free to point out
things you might need help with / comments / moral support ;-)

Cheers,
Christoph


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