Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposition to combine the Apply/Reset buttons

2011/4/19 Christoph Noack <christoph@dogmatux.com>:
> Hi Heinzs, hi Ricardo, hi Jay!
>
> First, I have to agree that the animation was excellent - it's great to
> see how you "packaged" the idea. How did you make that (some time ago, I
> used Gimp to create animations but it was a tedious task...)?
>
> Now to the more detailed stuff ...
>
> Am Dienstag, den 19.04.2011, 21:11 +0200 schrieb RGB ES:
> > 2011/4/19 planas <jslozier@gmail.com>:
> > > On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 14:56 +0200, Sparkling Specks wrote:
> ...
> > > > In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in
> > > > dialogs, "Apply," to apply changes made in dialogues without closing
> > > > the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five or six
> > > > buttons on the bottom of many properties dialogs, "OK," "Apply,"
> > > > "Cancel," "Reset," ("Default"), "Help."
>
> Totally agreed, this is a bit too much.
>
> > > > In an attempt to cut that number down again, I want to propose
> > > > combining the Apply and Reset buttons. There's a bug about that here:
> > > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36112 , an animation to
> > > > show the feature (
> > > > https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=45456 ) is attached to
> > > > the bug -- please excuse its amateurish execution.
>
> > > My only concern is that many users would not carefully read the button
> > > labels and not realize the function has changed.
> >
> > Agree. Sadly there is not an easy solution for this. A possibility
> > would be to "merge" buttons (normal click to accept, long click to
> > apply, or add a "menu" to accept button, so if you click on it you
> > accept, but with long click a menu opens), but this will only change
> > clutter with complexity...
>
> Mmh, I'm currently a bit worried that even Format "Paragraph Style" is
> different from Format "Paragraph" ... however, in the current version we
> end up with:
>
>        OK Apply Cancel Help Reset Standard
>
> Both Reset and Standard are somehow tied to the styles and have to be
> kept - but, especially Reset (=Revert) fits nicely to a different kind
> of dialog.
>
> Let's assume that any change within this dialog applies the changes
> immediately (reasonable with regard to today's computational power). The
> dialog itself would be non-modal - and each of the changes has to be put
> into the undo stack. Then we can change the buttons and their behavior
> to:
>
>        Close Revert Help Standard
>
> Close = Closes the dialog (the changes have already been applied)
> Revert = Reverts the changes since the dialog was opened (a bit
> different to the original reset that resets all changes on the current
> tab page)
> Standard = same behavior as before
>
> If we would (consistently!) apply rules on Mac OS X or Gnome, then we
> might shift the Help button to improve the structure to:
>
>        Help        Close Revert Standard
>
> The "normal" paragraph dialog may be changed to:
>
>        Help        Close Revert
>
> How does that sound? Even if we stick with the today's position of
> "Help", I think it would be an improvement.
>
> It would be great to have a generic specification for that, so we can
> address the developers of all the modules to change the behavior. Anyone
> interested in picking this up? Would be excellent and incredibly helpful
> - I'm currently unable to work on that. Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
>
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What about this crazy idea?: reset the style to former status is an
"administrative task", so let's put the Standard button *only on the
Organizer tab*, for example just below the "Contains".
After all you should not need to use the "Standard" button so often:
it needs to be available, but not in front of you all the time...
What do you think?
Cheers,
Ricardo

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