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Hi Octavio, all!

Thanks for joining this discussion :-)

Am Dienstag, den 26.04.2011, 11:28 -0700 schrieb Octavio Alvarez:
On Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:56:40 -0700, Sparkling Specks  
<heinzlesspam@googlemail.com> wrote:

Hi,
In the upcoming 3.4 release there will be an additional button in
dialogs, "Apply," to apply changes made in dialogues without closing
the dialogue. This new button means that now there are five or six
buttons on the bottom of many properties dialogs, "OK," "Apply,"
"Cancel," "Reset," ("Default"), "Help."

Yes, please, let's simplify this.

In an attempt to cut that number down again, I want to propose
combining the Apply and Reset buttons. There's a bug about that here:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=36112 , an animation to
show the feature (
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=45456 ) is attached to
the bug -- please excuse its amateurish execution.

I like the mockup at

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/PropertiesButtonLayout

It moves [Help] to the left. It doesn't have anything to do with any
kind of action the user is trying to achieve, and the more the user
learns, the less helpful the button is. So let's move it out of the
way, to the left.

Still in discussion, because it's currently against our numerous old
dialogs ...

Also, the [Default] button is moved to the organizer. There's where
it should be. It appears that, under that mockup, the user can
remove individual attributes, so a [Default] button, or whatever
is named, could shamelessly clear all attributes.

Also, [Revert], can be removed in favor of making the dialog work with
Undo/Redo.

We've talked about that earlier, but it might be helpful for any direct
formatting (e.g. paragraph formatting) and essential for styles (e.g.
paragraph styles).

Why? Because use a dialog to format a bunch of things, or to iterate
some settings. Providing them "Revert" helps to form a logical step -
all changes made when the dialog was open / has been used on a certain
object. But this should be checked with real users ... or at least with
a prototype, if we can't solve it by exchanging thoughts.

If the "lessbuttonsapproach" dialog can be used for styles (I still
think whether it will work at all), then "Revert" might be essential.
People will rather set back a value (e.g. font size) instead of using
the faaar away undo button - but this sets a real value instead of (in
most cases) inherit the value from the parent style.

You can only "cancel" by pressing 'Escape'. If you want to use the mouse,
Undo as many times as needed. I like that.

I would only add an [Apply] button before [Close] and NOT auto-apply
whatever mistake I make on the dialog. It is bad for performance.
It is also not scalable. The longer the document, the longer it will
take for _every_ _single_ _change_.

Please see:
http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg01615.html


Mmh, sorry, I have to stop the good discussions today ... you see in
half an hour what I'm referring to :-)

Regards,
Christoph


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