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LOL this whole process is silly to me...  I'm being argued with by some guys
based on forum posts and a demo on CMSreport LOL.  I'm volunteering to
design a beautiful site that integrates groups, wiki, CMS, and would
basically make your project very attractive for people to participate in
because they could find other people to work with easily, while looking at
documentation, or tutorials, or other content on the site.

  I have been dealing with web based systems for 15 years.  I can write in
python and PHP for web systems and Java, .net, and Objective C. I have used
all the basic systems a lot and know them.  I built geo location chat apps,
designed and coded the medical billing information system for the largest
billing company in the US, and I manage systems used by tens of thousands of
people.  I also teach software engineering at a university.  I've been
writing software for almost 30 years.

Drupal is very good, its flexible, proven, and fast.  Yes. it takes a little
bit of time to configure and yes it doesn't have as "shiny" a admin
interface as sliverstripe, But man.... You get a lot of mileage out of it
and can be certain that it will do what you want the way you want rapidly.

FYI the query builder (views) lets you build data driven pages with access
to all information on the site and about the current user.  So you can build
custom interfaces for people.  That is powerful, so you don't need to write
code to get pages that display content contributed by users or you can build
approval systems for content.

Anyway, good luck.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Benjamin Horst <> wrote:


This discussion should not become an endurance challenge, where whoever
holds out the longest wins. That's no way to make a good technical decision.

On Oct 19, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Keith Williams wrote:

Ok.  You  win, go with Silverstripe, it appears that you already have
made that decision and I don't have the time to devote to this
discussion, since I will not be working with Silverstripe.  I really
did look into Silverstripe and the reason you find it clear is that it
doesn't do much and I didn't find it very flexible.

I think this is important to note. Silverstripe looks good with no effort,
and when has been the case with software I've worked with in the past, it's
because the software is not flexible.

Perhaps we should set a higher bar for the demo. Keith, can you look at the
requirements wiki page and add details about ad hoc group creation and other
features you suggest the site should have to support our globally active
groups? I think this has not been addressed in Christian's initial
requirements list:

The views query builder and the content construction kit for drupal
are absolutely amazing.  You need a real site builder demo to
understand that.  They are far and away one of the most impressive
things I've ever used in an online system, dare I say they are
revolutionary in some ways.  Maybe there is something like them but I
haven't seen it.

Why don't you just go use wordpress?  I don't think that Silverstripe
adds more and at least with WP you don't need to look at that crappy
loading screen on admin side whenever you click a button.

Interesting, someone recommended WordPress early in this discussion but
never followed up.


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