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I basically built the demo to show a couple features like groups, polls,
etc... I hoped that someone else would put some content on the site at some
point.  AND NO I didn't set it up for editors, I guess I could turn on the
WYSIWYG editor and let you make page menus.  I just didn't want to give the
testuser account the ability to change the top menus.

Yes.  I setup the site in a about 45 minutes.  The problem with something
like Silverstripe is that it doesn't do that much, its easy and looks clean
because it is limited in functionality.  This limit will box you in and
force you to either abandon the system of live in the box.  Silverstripe has
plugins but when I reviewed them I didn't see anything that made me say WOW
I can't do that with Drupal.  But I did say WOW I'm glad I don't have to
work with this to build interactive websites.

Most of the sites that are coming online now are similar to social
networking sites where people can connect with each other and collaborate.
 Drupal is designed to build sites like that.  Because of this, you need a
way of "programming" workflows that route content from one place to another,
so that the site self organizes itself.  Thats what Drupal does well and why
the query builder (views) is so useful.

A really nice website that integrated groups, wiki, blogs, and general
purpose content management could be built with Drupal.  This integration
would be an advantage for your project, it makes it easy for people to
participate, and demonstrates an active community to new users.  A plain old
wiki and a static CMS with some comments does not do this.  It's lame.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Christian Lohmaier < <>>wrote:

Hi Keith,

I apologize beforehand, since the following might sound very
condescending. Please don't take it as such.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Keith Williams
<> wrote:
 I have been dealing with web based systems for 15 years.  I can write in
python and PHP for web systems and Java, .net, and Objective C. I have
all the basic systems a lot and know them.

All that experience you might have didn't help you to setup a site
that fulfills basic requirements that were laid out, didn't build a
site that is appealing to editors (again, I'm not talking about the
visual appearance).
I'm pretty sure it is because lack of time.

But even then, with so much experience, it should be easy to setup a
working site in an afternoon session. But that didn't happen. Neither
you nor any other of the drupal-cracks (as a positive term) didn't
setup a working demo.

All around the message is: "we need to get started /soon/".

Drupal is very good, its flexible, proven, and fast.  Yes. it takes a
bit of time to configure

All valid, but irrelevant.

And sorry: You giving up so easily is another point that is
problematic. You'll always have to defend your point, and
unfortunately people come and leave. In the communities I have been
taking parts there were always people that promised "I will do this
and that in no time", and then when the slightest sign of a
problem/conflict showed up those people were the first to quit

So please: Don't give up that easily, and first of all: Don't take it


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