Re: [libreoffice-users] Page formatting in writer goes nuts

Thanks for that information. The article do show that it actually is a
known problem, a very old problem. I'm glad to see that.

I have managed to reproduce a strange error regarding pictures using the LO
Users Guide. There seem to be a case with a (large) picture anchored as
character followed by a smaller picture anchored to paragraph. The second
picture is also wrapped with text to its left, but I have not tested if
that is a condition for this error to occur. The picture 1
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzKxVP7gn2uTYlpLa1UxUDRWWjA>shows this
setup. I just took two pictures in the document and arranged them as
described above. Note that frame1 (first picture) comes before frame2 (2nd
pic) in the image list to the left.

Now, when adding or deleting text before the first picture, it will
sometimes disappear as seen in picture 2
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzKxVP7gn2uTclpnU3VNV182N0E> As you can
see, the disappeared picture created lots of free space, the document
became smaller so I could image this would confuse the page formatting
function. Note that the order between frame1 and 2 has changed. The first
picture has been moved after the second. So where did it go? By clicking on
frame1 I found the picture at the bottom of the page, invisible, spanning
two pages, see picture 3
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzKxVP7gn2uTS2E0Zm9PZ3V2ZmM> Odd indeed.

I was able to delete all other text in this document and still reproduce
the error. That's good. (The screen shots were taken before that.) I have
uploaded this mini version of the LO Users Guide
<https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BzKxVP7gn2uTNzVvTjZCOU9jN0U> where this
error can be reproduced, at least by me. I would appreciate if someone else
could confirm the behaviour that I see. Just place the cursor above the
large picture, hit enter / backspace back and forth, which sometimes will
make the large picture disappear. This is LO 5.1.5.2 but I do see the
problem in 5.2 as well.

A work around is to place the small picture and its text to the left in a
two-column table, and keep the large picture anchored as character - that
appears to work fine. The picture in the table is also anchored as
character if that makes difference. I guess that it may take time to find
and resolve this error in LO so I will need to apply this work around. But
I have more than 1000 pictures in my doc so I need to gather some strength
first before taking that step...

btw, this was one (1) scenario - I can only hope it is the only scenario
that makes LO mess up the page formatting.


2016-09-06 20:53 GMT+02:00 Bruce Byfield <bbyfield@axion.net>:

> My questions were an effort to determine whether how you were using
> styles was the problem. Unfortunately, from your answers, I don't  think
> so.
>
> However, there are some longstanding quirks in how frames and images
> work that usually kick in when there are lots of images.
>
> I don't know any easy way to correct your problem, but in future you
> might try placing images in a table, as described in this article:
>
> http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-
> Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/The-mysteries-of-positioning-pictures-in-LibreOffice-
> OpenOffice
>
> This solution limits options for text wrapping, but does seem to make
> pictures stay where you place them.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On September 6, 2016 05:05:12 AM Bo Siltberg wrote:
> > Sorry, yes, it points to itself.
> >
> > 2016-09-05 23:25 GMT+02:00 Bruce Byfield <bbyfield@axion.net>:
> > > How do you actually apply page styles? Your description of what is
> > > happening sounds as though you have applied page styles simply by
> > > clicking on the page, but, from your last reply, that isn't what you
> > > have done.
> > >
> > > Does your Default style have itself as the next style?
> > >
> > > On September 5, 2016 08:57:35 PM Bo Siltberg wrote:
> > > > I have only one page style, the *Default style*, where I have
> > > > adjusted
> > > > the margins a bit, no more.
> > > > I guess I should have created my own page style.
> > > > It could very well be that I have misused the styles concept for
> > > > paragraphs and characters too.
> > > >
> > > > 2016-09-05 20:45 GMT+02:00 Bruce Byfield <bbyfield@axion.net>:
> > > > > > > On 04-09-16 20:26, Bo Siltberg wrote:
> > > > > > > > I have a large document with lots of pictures currently using
> > > > > > > > LO
> > > > > > > > 5.1.5.2.
> > > > > > > > After doing some editing, the page formatting function kicks
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > automatically but does a bad job, inserting page breaks
> > > > > > > > randomly
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > lots
> > > > > > > > of empty pages in sequence.
> > > > >
> > > > > How are you inserting page styles? Are you using the Next Style
> > > > > field
> > > > > on the Organizer page for page styles?
> > > > >
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