Re: [libreoffice-users] undo functionality

Bo Siltberg schreef op 01-06-2016 21:44:

> Then try 5.0 if you need extensive undo, or simply try to find another 
> way
> of writing that does not rely in too much undo. It is clearly not meant 
> for
> reverting some hour of work.

Why don't you try to stop people from doing what they want in their 
private time? Oh, you are already doing so.

And maybe you should also try to determine what a feature, that has 
existed for many years now in many software solutions, in a much greater 
design and extent, I might add, why don't you try to determine what that 
feature is meant to be used for, at your sole behest, irrespective of 
what real people actually want?

Oh, I know you do. What if, if that feature actually had any sane 
implementation like most applications do have, and which should form at 
least an example of how it should work, what if that feature did allow 
or would allow someone to revert hours of work? Would that be a problem 
to you?

Would it be a problem to you if people actually used it for that? Or is 
it only a problem that either (a) it means the current system is not 
really all that great or (b) someone would need to be in agreement with 
that idea?

I mean in both cases, if there actually was some support for the 
feature, people might implement it, and you might be wrong about your 
assumptions. Which I guess, is something you don't want to be all that 
often. But regardless, it would probably make everyone a lot happier, 
even though you can perhaps not readily imagine that.

Those 100 undo steps we have today are single character undos. If 
someone makes more changes, they might amount to 50 characters of 
backdraft. 50 characters of history. It might not be more than a single 
line (or sentence).

How can you seriously consider that to be any good?

"Should be fine for most people" as the other person says, is just not 
reality.

Only if your operations are actually block-level operations, does it 
make any real sense.

Or if you only want to undo stuff within the space of a minute.

See the undo system already saves entire blocks. It just needs to be 
augmented for that to also happen, in condensation, for character-level 
operations, you see.

And most applications have that.

Most actually do.

You are really in the minority here, what that goes, and LibreOffice 
users themselves are also, in the minority, themselves. Whether you want 
that or not, and whether you like that or not, as well.

So using the claim of "large user base" or "great experience" as an 
argument here is really void. "Millions of people are using it and not 
finding fault". Really, did you ask them.

Did you hold a poll over millions of users over this issue?

Those insignificant beings, did you inquire into their opinions?

Some projects do. NetworkManager recently did, and it was great that 
they did. They took it very seriously.

I think many projects do not.

Anyway I am writing this with a foot that is about twice its regular 
size, and I think I need to quit it now.

Regards.

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