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Hi Ken

Interesting, I'll need to do some more intense reading of the web page, a nice find. The chart is a bit congested, and they don't seem to cover the freeware versions of the payware versions on the chart, and the ones I mentioned below. It would be interesting to see where they fare against MS's free tools at 90%. Don't get me wrong I'm no fan of MS in any way, but at least their built-in and add-on security products cannot be thumb-nosed at. I personally use Kapsersky Pure 3.0 for all freestanding customer and personal / home PC's and Kaspersky ES (Endpoint Security) or TS (Total Security) for my bigger stuff and client servers.

And as can be seen those that seems to score high faired only one test before it looks like they failed (all in red text), so this is not good, brands to avoid, even if they look good as no.1 on paper. Hype, as I say bull???? baffles brains.

Thanks for this link. I like going over stuff like this.

Andrew Brown

On 06/08/2013 08:54 PM, Ken Springer wrote:

Just interested in your comments/thoughts on this site:

On 8/6/13 12:05 PM, Andrew Brown wrote:
Hi Tom

You are on track, but one thing I will give in defence of freeware
malware protection, is MS Security Essentials. It along with the MS
firewall built in and Windows Defender built in and activated fully with
MSSE installed, make for a not bad system. And you are correct, MS I am
sure are fully aware of their exploitable code/bugs/weaknesses, not
necessary found by themselves, but by very clever honest and dishonest
malware practitioners out there. With personal experience, usage and
fighting a good fight, my trust of AVG has waned big time, and MSSE is
now top, as I said for freeware. One must remember freeware tools are
not strong with active protection and scanning of your system, plugged
in devices and email, this is where MSSE does excel.

In this order, I mention a Linux scanner that is now ported to MS, as
it's not bad and totally opensource.

2. Avast
3. ClamAV for Windows

For payware there is only two, by continuous test, both personal,
business and enterprize, and without starting a flame war

ESET Nod32


Andrew Brown

On 06/08/2013 04:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Good point. I only had the anti-malware stuff running. None of the usual other windows open.

On Windows machines i typically have 2 running.
1. Microsoft Security Essentials, the one that kinda forces it's way onto your system through automatic updates and stuff even if you don't want it 2. A free one. Usually AVG in the company where i kinda work. In a different place i might be using a different one but AVG seems reasonably ok to me.

On machines that are desperately slow running like that i switch off one or the other. Usually the MS one because i still don't completely trust it yet.

The number 1 job of any malware has to be to either knock-out the anti-malware stuff or find a way to permanently bypass it without raising any alarms. So anti-malware stuff needs to think in a very different way from whatever in-built security might be around. I don't have any confidence in MS being able to do that. I think a 3rd party program is more likely to have different structures. On the other hand MS might have more of an idea where all their most well-known flaws are and might be able to structure their one to deal with likely threats. So, who knows which is going to be best in the next years or so.

Regards from
Tom :)


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