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Cable modem - i.e. always on connection - needs a Firewall and a better one than what I heard MS's built in one is. I prefer to use Comodo Internet Security suite that included anti-virus and firewall. And yes, they have a free version. They have a host of free security packages. If you use AVG, the pair it with a free firewall like Zonealarm, since the last time I knew AVG with firewall was not free.

Also you should use a variety of different types of blockers and scanner/cleaners. The more you use the less likely that something might slip through all of your packages. Of course you should never have 2 firewalls and two anti-virus packages running at the same time.

Then to the anti-elephant power, well just because you do not see elephant foot prints does not mean that they did not get inside your house and searched the place before leaving. The same is true with all those "nasties". If you do not keep everything up-to-date, then these "elephants" could come in and shut down the monitors letting you know that they were ever there. I know of several cases where people never kept their security databases up-to-date and they let the "elephants" into the "house" and were never the wiser since the "had the protection" and never felt the need to keep it fed with the needed "data" bread crumbs to keep their protection happy and healthy. I know of one system that had an owner add the security and someone else removing it since it "slowed down" his file transfers and stopped him for accessing "certain" sites, one that the security would stop you from going to.

On 08/06/2013 03:37 PM, Andrew Brown wrote:
Well said

Andrew Brown

On 06/08/2013 09:10 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
I've not had any problems with AVG so far.  Afaik!

But i definitely think anti-malware stuff is definitely one of those things that people have to make up their own minds about which is best for them. After-all if it works really well then you never know it's doing anything. if it does log lots of things happening then is that stuff that it's making up or would the attacks have happened anyway.

It's a bit like the fella in Peckham sprinkling anti-elephant powder on his doorstep each morning. It 'obviously' works because there are no elephants in Peckham.

Even better is the example from House MD where a lady said that her monthles had stopped but that was one of the possible side effects of her birth-control pills working. House pointed out it was also a possible side-effect of her pills NOT working.

Regards from
Tom :)

    *From:* Andrew Brown <>
    *To:* Tom Davies <>
    *Cc:* Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>;
    *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 19:05
    *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed

    Hi Tom

    You are on track, but one thing I will give in defence of freeware
    malware protection, is MS Security Essentials. It along with the MS
    firewall built in and Windows Defender built in and activated
    fully with
    MSSE installed, make for a not bad system. And you are correct, MS
    I am
    sure are fully aware of their exploitable code/bugs/weaknesses, not
    necessary found by themselves, but by very clever honest and
    malware practitioners out there. With personal experience, usage and
    fighting a good fight, my trust of AVG has waned big time, and
    MSSE is
now top, as I said for freeware. One must remember freeware tools are
    not strong with active protection and scanning of your system,
    in devices and email, this is where MSSE does excel.

In this order, I mention a Linux scanner that is now ported to MS, as
    it's not bad and totally opensource.

    1. MSSE
    2. Avast
    3. ClamAV for Windows

    For payware there is only two, by continuous test, both personal,
    business and enterprize, and without starting a flame war

    ESET Nod32


    Andrew Brown


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