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Hi :)  
I've not had any problems with AVG so far.  Afaik!   

But i definitely think anti-malware stuff is definitely one of those things that people have to 
make up their own minds about which is best for them.  After-all if it works really well then you 
never know it's doing anything.  if it does log lots of things happening then is that stuff that 
it's making up or would the attacks have happened anyway.  

It's a bit like the fella in Peckham sprinkling anti-elephant powder on his doorstep each morning.  
It 'obviously' works because there are no elephants in Peckham.  

Even better is the example from House MD where a lady said that her monthles had stopped but that 
was one of the possible side effects of her birth-control pills working.  House pointed out it was 
also a possible side-effect of her pills NOT working.  

Regards from 
Tom :)  

From: Andrew Brown <>
To: Tom Davies <> 
Cc: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>; 
Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 19:05
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed

Hi Tom

You are on track, but one thing I will give in defence of freeware 
malware protection, is MS Security Essentials. It along with the MS 
firewall built in and Windows Defender built in and activated fully with 
MSSE installed, make for a not bad system. And you are correct, MS I am 
sure are fully aware of their exploitable code/bugs/weaknesses, not 
necessary found by themselves, but by very clever honest and dishonest 
malware practitioners out there. With personal experience, usage and 
fighting a good fight, my trust of AVG has waned big time, and MSSE is 
now top, as I said for freeware. One must remember freeware tools are 
not strong with active protection and scanning of your system, plugged 
in devices and email, this is where MSSE does excel.

In this order, I mention a Linux scanner that is now ported to MS, as 
it's not bad and totally opensource.

2. Avast
3. ClamAV for Windows

For payware there is only two, by continuous test, both personal, 
business and enterprize, and without starting a flame war

ESET Nod32


Andrew Brown

On 06/08/2013 04:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Good point.  I only had the anti-malware stuff running.  None of the usual other windows open.

On Windows machines i typically have 2 running.
1.  Microsoft Security Essentials, the one that kinda forces it's way onto your system through 
automatic updates and stuff even if you don't want it
2.  A free one.  Usually AVG in the company where i kinda work.  In a different place i might be 
using a different one but AVG seems reasonably ok to me.

On machines that are desperately slow running like that i switch off one or the other.  Usually 
the MS one because i still don't completely trust it yet.

The number 1 job of any malware has to be to either knock-out the anti-malware stuff or find a 
way to permanently bypass it without raising any alarms.  So anti-malware stuff needs to think 
in a very different way from whatever in-built security might be around.  I don't have any 
confidence in MS being able to do that.  I think a 3rd party program is more likely to have 
different structures.  On the other hand MS might have more of an idea where all their most 
well-known flaws are and might be able to structure their one to deal with likely threats.  So, 
who knows which is going to be best in the next years or so.

Regards from
Tom :)

From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>
Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 14:56
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed

Actually my 3 second test, as stated in a past post, was with 3
utilities open on the screen and 2 or 3 Firefox browser windows open.
The utilities are always loaded at boot by my choice.  I have several FF
windows open with many tabs involved.  That is part of my "normal"
desktop use so I do not have to keep opening those pages every day or
so, and sometimes 3 or 6 times a day.

So with all that background packages, 3 seconds is not bad at all for a
Ubuntu 12.04LTS system.

Now on my Win7 laptops, well that is a different story, or similar
maybe.  I have a "ton" of security packages loaded up at boot time.
Also there are some utilities and other options loaded, like printer
management and other "stuff" like that.  So there is much more packages
running in the background with the Win7 laptops - both dual core but
different power - so click to splash to ready for work will take
longer.  To be honest, I am one of those people that believes that
Windows is a OS that can be easily infected with "nasties" so you must
have a lot of security utilities running to keep that from happening.  I
know some fools that do not even run anti-virus packages.  They say "why
bother", "I am safe", "I never go to sites that will infect me", or my
favorite "It will never happen to me.  You are just paranoid".

So, the key is that fact that LO is faster loading to a usable state,
now, than it was last year.  Also, it is not the speed to the splash
screen, but the speed of how long it will take till you are able to use
the package.

So if you run all of  the security package, like I do, on Windows it
will take longer to load up completely than with less security.  The
same with Linux and how much is running in the background.  The same
system, down to the exact same CPU, RAM, drive, OS, etc., will take
different times depending on what is installed and running.  Even a
fragmented drive will reduce the load and usage speeds.

So let us just say LO is loading faster than before and if a person
cannot wait for a few seconds for load time, then they will not be happy
with most packages out there that does similar "work".  Tablets can be
worse load times for their packages and I know of no one locally who has
complained about that.

On 08/06/2013 07:06 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:
Ha! Ha! there you go, LO just runs on whatever platform and O/S of
your choice. And for the most part, what is a minute or less really
from switch on to productive use of something. I can't make a cup of
tea in that time, and I mean a real brewed cup of tea. Now at least
the movies can show an actor sitting down in front of a PC and almost
instantly start to work on it, I used to laugh at this in the past :-P



On 06/08/2013 04:12 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
On 08/05/2013 05:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
That is weird.

On this fairly crumby laptop, 2.2GHz (hmmm, not so crumby after all)
it took about 0-1 seconds for the LO splash-screen to appear.  Same
on my really nice desktop, 1.86GHz (hmmm, not so nice after all!).
Both running Ubuntu and fairly old versions of LO (i think).
Meanwhile on Windows 2.93GHz it took about 1s to open Writer
completely.  Didn't even have time to see the splash screen.

I have a Sony Vaio laptop. I'm running a dual boot Windows 7 and
Linux Mint 15 (running in the Windows WUBI installer). I just started
using LO 4 on the Linux Mint side and immediately noticed how much
faster it runs on Mint rather than Win7. I'm sure there are a lot of
variables, and I haven't tested them all, but so far, I'm really
pleased with the performance of LO on Mint.


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