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Well said

Andrew Brown

On 06/08/2013 09:10 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
I've not had any problems with AVG so far.  Afaik!

But i definitely think anti-malware stuff is definitely one of those things that people have to make up their own minds about which is best for them. After-all if it works really well then you never know it's doing anything. if it does log lots of things happening then is that stuff that it's making up or would the attacks have happened anyway.

It's a bit like the fella in Peckham sprinkling anti-elephant powder on his doorstep each morning. It 'obviously' works because there are no elephants in Peckham.

Even better is the example from House MD where a lady said that her monthles had stopped but that was one of the possible side effects of her birth-control pills working. House pointed out it was also a possible side-effect of her pills NOT working.

Regards from
Tom :)

    *From:* Andrew Brown <>
    *To:* Tom Davies <>
    *Cc:* Kracked_P_P---webmaster <>;
    *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 19:05
    *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed

    Hi Tom

    You are on track, but one thing I will give in defence of freeware
    malware protection, is MS Security Essentials. It along with the MS
    firewall built in and Windows Defender built in and activated
    fully with
    MSSE installed, make for a not bad system. And you are correct, MS
    I am
    sure are fully aware of their exploitable code/bugs/weaknesses, not
    necessary found by themselves, but by very clever honest and
    malware practitioners out there. With personal experience, usage and
    fighting a good fight, my trust of AVG has waned big time, and
    MSSE is
    now top, as I said for freeware. One must remember freeware tools are
    not strong with active protection and scanning of your system,
    in devices and email, this is where MSSE does excel.

    In this order, I mention a Linux scanner that is now ported to MS, as
    it's not bad and totally opensource.

    1. MSSE
    2. Avast
    3. ClamAV for Windows

    For payware there is only two, by continuous test, both personal,
    business and enterprize, and without starting a flame war

    ESET Nod32


    Andrew Brown

    On 06/08/2013 04:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
    > Hi :)
    > Good point.  I only had the anti-malware stuff running.  None of
    the usual other windows open.
    > On Windows machines i typically have 2 running.
    > 1.  Microsoft Security Essentials, the one that kinda forces
    it's way onto your system through automatic updates and stuff even
    if you don't want it
> 2. A free one. Usually AVG in the company where i kinda work. In a different place i might be using a different one but AVG
    seems reasonably ok to me.
    > On machines that are desperately slow running like that i switch
    off one or the other.  Usually the MS one because i still don't
    completely trust it yet.
    > The number 1 job of any malware has to be to either knock-out
    the anti-malware stuff or find a way to permanently bypass it
    without raising any alarms. So anti-malware stuff needs to think
    in a very different way from whatever in-built security might be
around. I don't have any confidence in MS being able to do that. I think a 3rd party program is more likely to have different
    structures.  On the other hand MS might have more of an idea where
    all their most well-known flaws are and might be able to structure
    their one to deal with likely threats.  So, who knows which is
    going to be best in the next years or so.
    > Regards from
    > Tom :)
    >> ________________________________
    >> From: Kracked_P_P---webmaster <
    >> To:
    >> Sent: Tuesday, 6 August 2013, 14:56
    >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] start up speed
    >> Actually my 3 second test, as stated in a past post, was with 3
    >> utilities open on the screen and 2 or 3 Firefox browser windows
    >> The utilities are always loaded at boot by my choice.  I have
    several FF
    >> windows open with many tabs involved.  That is part of my "normal"
    >> desktop use so I do not have to keep opening those pages every
    day or
    >> so, and sometimes 3 or 6 times a day.
    >> So with all that background packages, 3 seconds is not bad at
    all for a
    >> Ubuntu 12.04LTS system.
    >> Now on my Win7 laptops, well that is a different story, or similar
    >> maybe.  I have a "ton" of security packages loaded up at boot time.
    >> Also there are some utilities and other options loaded, like
    >> management and other "stuff" like that.  So there is much more
    >> running in the background with the Win7 laptops - both dual
    core but
    >> different power - so click to splash to ready for work will take
    >> longer.  To be honest, I am one of those people that believes that
    >> Windows is a OS that can be easily infected with "nasties" so
    you must
    >> have a lot of security utilities running to keep that from
    happening.  I
    >> know some fools that do not even run anti-virus packages.  They
    say "why
    >> bother", "I am safe", "I never go to sites that will infect
    me", or my
    >> favorite "It will never happen to me.  You are just paranoid".
    >> So, the key is that fact that LO is faster loading to a usable
    >> now, than it was last year.  Also, it is not the speed to the
    >> screen, but the speed of how long it will take till you are
    able to use
    >> the package.
    >> So if you run all of  the security package, like I do, on
    Windows it
    >> will take longer to load up completely than with less
    security.  The
    >> same with Linux and how much is running in the background.  The
    >> system, down to the exact same CPU, RAM, drive, OS, etc., will take
    >> different times depending on what is installed and running.  Even a
    >> fragmented drive will reduce the load and usage speeds.
    >> So let us just say LO is loading faster than before and if a person
    >> cannot wait for a few seconds for load time, then they will not
    be happy
    >> with most packages out there that does similar "work".  Tablets
    can be
    >> worse load times for their packages and I know of no one
    locally who has
    >> complained about that.
    >> On 08/06/2013 07:06 AM, Andrew Brown wrote:
    >>> Ha! Ha! there you go, LO just runs on whatever platform and O/S of
    >>> your choice. And for the most part, what is a minute or less
    >>> from switch on to productive use of something. I can't make a
    cup of
    >>> tea in that time, and I mean a real brewed cup of tea. Now at
    >>> the movies can show an actor sitting down in front of a PC and
    >>> instantly start to work on it, I used to laugh at this in the
    past :-P
    >>> Regards
    >>> Andrew
    >>> On 06/08/2013 04:12 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:
    >>>> On 08/05/2013 05:03 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
    >>>>> Hi :)
    >>>>> That is weird.
    >>>>> On this fairly crumby laptop, 2.2GHz (hmmm, not so crumby
    after all)
    >>>>> it took about 0-1 seconds for the LO splash-screen to
    appear.  Same
    >>>>> on my really nice desktop, 1.86GHz (hmmm, not so nice after
    >>>>> Both running Ubuntu and fairly old versions of LO (i think).
    >>>>> Meanwhile on Windows 2.93GHz it took about 1s to open Writer
    >>>>> completely.  Didn't even have time to see the splash screen.
    >>>> I have a Sony Vaio laptop. I'm running a dual boot Windows 7 and
    >>>> Linux Mint 15 (running in the Windows WUBI installer). I just
    >>>> using LO 4 on the Linux Mint side and immediately noticed how
    >>>> faster it runs on Mint rather than Win7. I'm sure there are a
    lot of
    >>>> variables, and I haven't tested them all, but so far, I'm really
    >>>> pleased with the performance of LO on Mint.
    >>>> Virgil
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