On 08/07/13 17:58, Virgil Arrington wrote:
I'll probably be (justifiably) ostracized for this on a LO user list,
but to me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to
force a square peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the
labor involved may not be worth it. In my mind, Writer is a business
application, useful for letters, memos, legal documents, school
reports, and the like. While I love working with LO's styles (which
would be essential for book writing), I find LO's implementation of
master documents to be too involved and clunky for my taste.
Hehehe. Don't worry, I won't ostracize you.
I know... I am familiar with LaTeX and LyX. My day job is at the Physics
Deptartment at a local Univesity, and we use them a lot for reports and
papers. My problem is that I *do* want to give my document a distinctive
visual format, with nice typography and so on... and writinf a LaTeX
class or the LyX equivalent is beyond my skill level.
And since I am not that fluent with LaTeX (I've personally never wrote
anything complex with it), I wanted to use a more point-and-click
approach, to able to focus on my subject matter and not so much in
learning new tools at the same time.
Another reason is that the small printing houses around here who may be
able to do some small self publish job for me are all set up for files
in PDF or MS Word .doc format. My experience with LaTeX to Word
conversion is that the result is quite ugly.
For organizing a book length document, with parts, chapters, and
tables, indexes, and sub-documents, etc, I much prefer LyX and LaTeX,
both of which are free and opensource. Yes, the LaTeX learning curve
can be steep, but LyX makes it so much easier. You can type away and
let the computer do the formatting, just by selecting the Book class.
Unlike the business oriented LO, LyX and LaTeX were created
specifically for making long documents such as books. Round hole,
round peg. The biggest drawback is that changing default formatting
settings can be daunting for the uninitiated. But, if you accept the
defaults, you'll still have a beautifully formatted book with *much*
less effort than you would with LO.
For example, several years ago, my 14 year old son challenged himself
to type a 50,000 word novel in November, which is National Novel
Writers Month. He met his goal, and quickly dropped the project.
As a proud papa, I wanted to put his document to paper. He wrote the
original in WordPerfect, and it was a formatting mess, with stray
tabs, carriage returns, and inconsistent formatting across chapter and
section headings. I began the task of reformatting his 127 page novel
using WordPerfect, the original program. It didn't take long for me to
realize it would take days and days to wade through all of the
formatting codes inserted by WP.
Instead, I saved the document as a plain text file, stripping all
formatting. I then loaded it into LyX. Using the Book class (think
template), I applied Part and Chapter styles, (called "environments"
in LaTeX speak) to the part and chapter titles, and then inserted a
fully formatted, numbered, and typed table of contents with a couple
mouse clicks. I set NO page formatting parameters such as page
margins, page numbering, etc., as those were handled entirely by the
Book class. I then compiled the book and had a fully formatted novel,
complete with Title page, Table of Contents, properly formatted right
and left hand pages with fully formatted headers with page numbers,
etc. The entire formatting process took about a half hour. I surprised
Uh WP. That brings back memories ;-)
In that specific case, I too would have turned to LaTeX. And don't take
me wrong, I fully appreciate the need to separate format from content in
a project this size.
I could have done the same thing with LO's styles and master
documents, but they're not quite as fully automatic as LyX/LaTeX, so
it would have longer.
I thank you for your time and effort. I would prefer to stick to using
LO... I seriously considered turning to LaTeX, but I truly feel a little
overwhelmed with the amount of learning I would need to do in order to
reach the same formatting proficiency I have with a standard word
So far, however, I've found LyX/LaTeX's support for e-books to be a
little lacking (but no more so than LO's). For storing documents in an
e-book format (whether Nook's Epub, or Kindle's MOBI), the best
solution that I've found is Atlantis (a $35.00 shareware program). It
is a Word clone word processor that supports direct export to Epub and
MOBI with preservation of nearly all formatting. Every other solution
I've tried (including LO, LyX, and Markdown editors) screws up
formatting to some degree or another. Atlantis does 90% of what I need
in a word processor, with the sole exception of tables.
In short, while I love LO, I honestly think there are better tools for
the task of book and e-book writing.
Pablo M. Dotro
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