Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer

Couldn't agree more.

I've found the best way to start is write short document consisting of 
all the parts you need.
Learn the appropriate Writer terms and functions.
Get everything to format properly down to the last little item.

Save your template and your good to go.

By the time your done with it, you'll understand your own created 
format, that it becomes second nature.

Then write your book.

The longest document I've done was 64 pages from and old Lotus Wordpro 
that I had to totally redo in Writer.

I am pretty happy with the results.

Hope this helps.

On 7/9/2013 5:27 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> When i first started using Writer i found i struggled against the software quite a bit.  Often 
> people try something new unaware of the baggage they bring with them (such as bad habits learned 
> through years of using other products) and somehow keep managing to find unsuitable work-flows that 
> do make it more difficult than it needs to be.
>
> It's like watching someone that is scared of the water splashing about and fighting (and failing) to 
> stay on top.  If you are now a good swimmer can you remember the first time you laid back and relaxed 
> and found that human beings are naturally bouyant?  That only small minimal strokes of your arms almost 
> parallel to the surface are far more effective at keeping you above water than up&down strokes.  
> For me it took a  huge wrench in my mind.  Other people seemed to find it easy.
>
> I have taught Word as part of ECDL and other courses and people generally think i am extremely 
> proficient with it, at least until MSO 2007, but i often found that other people's documents were a 
> nightmare to beat into shape.  Even a tiny change often threw up some unexpected formatting tangle 
> that they had somehow managed to root deep into their document.  Also old documents written with 
> previous versions often came out all wrong.
>
> With LibreOffice it is much easier to get a good looking result that behaves itself.  However if 
> you do fight against it all the time then maybe you do need to either
> 1.  Read up on documentation and adjust to the software and/or
> 2.  Experiment and play with documents created by other people to see how they did it and/or
> 3.  Experiment and play around with different ways of doing things.  See if you have any baggage or 
> bad habits that you can break-down to simplify your work-flow
> Otherwise, if you are always struggling against the flow then you really are better off with 
> something that does suite you.
>
>
> First time i used LO to do a ToC it was a major pain.  2nd time (and from then on) i found it amazingly easy.  That 
> first time i did mess around with all sorts of aspects of it to work out how to beat it into submission.  Eventually i 
> worked out how to use it rather than to fight against it.  Now it's incredibly easy.  Even after a radical change i 
> just right-click and choose "update" and it fixes itself.  "Simples" ;)
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Virgil Arrington <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
> > To: Mirosław Zalewski <miniopl@poczta.onet.pl>; users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 July 2013, 1:29
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
> >
> >
> > Miroslaw,
> >
> > You're right; I did merge *writing* and *publishing*. To that end, let me muddy the waters even 
> > more by mentioning yWriter, a software program designed specifically and solely for writing novels 
> > with many of the tools you suggest. The frustration that I've found is that there are some 
> > publishing (or formatting) tasks that are best handled completely separate from writing, such as 
> > page layout, font selection, table of contents generation, etc. However, I find other formatting 
> > tasks are better handled on the fly while typing, such as applying italics to a word. Sometimes, I 
> > find seeing the paragraph layout onscreen helpful to organizing my thoughts, which of course you 
> > won't see with a strict text editor or pure LaTeX editor. At least LyX helps by showing some 
> > formatting onscreen.
> >
> > Anytime I use a program like yWriter, I end up spending a lot of time later applying formatting 
> > that I could have applied on the fly with a decent word processor. That may not be a concern for a 
> > person whose work will be published, and therefore formatted, by someone else, like a professional 
> > publishing house. But, the original poster mentioned self-publishing an e-book.
> >
> > Virgil
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Mirosław Zalewski
> > Sent: Monday, July 08, 2013 5:51 PM
> > To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Book-writing with Writer
> >
> > On 08/07/2013 at 22:58, "Virgil Arrington" <cuyfalls@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > but to
> > > me trying to write a book with LO Writer is like trying to force a square
> > > peg into a round hole. Yes, it can be done, but the labor involved may not
> > > be worth it.
> > I think you merge two totally different ideas: writing a book and publishing a
> > book.
> >
> > As for writing, Writer and LaTeX are pretty much comparable - they both sucks.
> > They do not provide basic tools needed for writers, such as character
> > descriptions (were her eyes blue or green?) or detailed outline of story (this
> > is different than outline of chapters). Of course you can overcome it with nice
> > note-taking app, custom wiki or organized papers, but in some other programs
> > you do not have to.
> >
> > As for publishing (making it look beautiful), LaTeX classes and forced
> > separation of structure and look usually provides better defaults than Writer.
> > Agreed.
> >
> > But then, we talk about defaults. It's not like you can't change them.
> > If you learn your tools and think in advance, create decent-looking long
> > document in Writer can be done with little hassle.
> >
> > I have created and edited some long (100+ pages) documents in Writer and never
> > seen anything in LaTeX that would be a dealbreaker for me. If anywhere, I
> > would go to full-fledged DTP suite such as Adobe InDesign.
> > -- Best regards
> > Mirosław Zalewski
> >
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