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2012/11/19 rost52 <>

Like Carl. I unfortunately cannot contribute to development work.

I would just like to come back to productivity and my own experience:
LibO has features which are as good or better than MSO in respect to
productivity. What reduces my productivity are bugs (first it takes time to
find out is a bug or did I make a mistake; second bug reporting) and
corrections of MSO files I receive because they open only open with errors.

How can LibO make market shares against MSO?

For my feeling shares can be taken with a high productivity of LibO.

This can be achieved with many bugs less and full compatibility. MSO
doesn' come up with a new format every week, thus our devs have a very good
chance to adjust LibO to full compatibility.

I am convinced that
- a big part of the reasons why the City of Freiburg considers to dump OO
are the above mentioned productivity issues (bugs and non-compatibility)
- above sketched productivity increase would enable LibO to gain
substantial market shares from MSO,
- and that the required productivity increase can be released within not
too much time.

On 2012-11-19 12:04, Carl Paulsen wrote:

In practical use, I would NOT say LO (or OOo) has a "high" file
compatibility with MS Office.  Virtually every file I receive from MS
Office users has some kind of problem (bullet lists almost NEVER convert
correctly, at least from MSO to LO).  I'm only an occasional Office suite
user so I put up with it (plus I'm on a Mac), but I've never been able to
convince others to use LO for this reason alone. And I mostly work with
non-profits who, for several reasons, should be avid LO users.

I also realize MSO, with it's market share, stands only to gain from
keeping it's formatting a moving target.  With that in mind, I just can't
imagine how a project like LO could hope to keep up and make inroads.

Wish I could help with making it work better, but I know nothing about
contributing to development.


On 11/18/12 7:48 PM, rost52 wrote:

I only can use Virgil's word "I hate to say it" but Virgil is right.
File compatibility is very important in our daily business world where we
need to exchange editable files within our company and also with external

Whenever I need to exchange files with MSO formats, I additionally
attach a pdf-file or ask for pdf-file as reference. This is a reduction of
productivity - I am willing to take I, but how many others?

Although I am aware that it is not an easy task and requires dev work,
 LibO must achieve more than a high compatibility with MSO formats. I keep
fingers crossed.

On 2012-11-19 07:37, VA wrote:

I hate to say it, but I think in business MS compatibility is THE
paramount concern. When I was working for a large business, I used LibO
only for documents I knew I didn't have to share with others. For anything
that had to be used by others, I used MS Office.

I realize that LibO is highly compatible with MS Office, but "highly"
often isn't enough. In my experience there were enough incompatibilities
that it just wasn't worth the hassle of trying to clean up documents sent
back and forth between the two office suites.

File format compatibility is far more important than similar user
interfaces or command structures. I would say file compatibility is the
primary reason companies keep buying MS Office.


I was greatly pleased to see the Document Foundation's open letter to the
City of Freiburg (thanks, Pedro, for the link !) and also that it was
written in German - Freiburg is, after all, a German town and the
foundation is a organisation incorporated in Germany ! Readers whose German
isn't up to the task of reading it can make use of tools like Google
Translate to get the gist....

I was even more pleased to see that a discussion has started in this forum
which deals with concrete problems in using LibreOffice in an environment
dominated by MS Office. I can say that in my (limited) experience,
conversion of documents between various versions of MS Word and Writer
usually goes without problems, but that spreadsheets and presentations
often present difficulties.



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