Like Carl. I unfortunately cannot contribute to development work.
I would just like to come back to productivity and my own experience:
LibO has features which are as good or better than MSO in respect to productivity. What reduces my
productivity are bugs (first it takes time to find out is a bug or did I make a mistake; second bug
reporting) and corrections of MSO files I receive because they open only open with errors.
How can LibO make market shares against MSO?
For my feeling shares can be taken with a high productivity of LibO.
This can be achieved with many bugs less and full compatibility. MSO doesn' come up with a new
format every week, thus our devs have a very good chance to adjust LibO to full compatibility.
I am convinced that
- a big part of the reasons why the City of Freiburg considers to dump OO are the above mentioned
productivity issues (bugs and non-compatibility)
- above sketched productivity increase would enable LibO to gain substantial market shares from MSO,
- and that the required productivity increase can be released within not too much time.
On 2012-11-19 12:04, Carl Paulsen wrote:
In practical use, I would NOT say LO (or OOo) has a "high" file compatibility with MS Office.
Virtually every file I receive from MS Office users has some kind of problem (bullet lists almost
NEVER convert correctly, at least from MSO to LO). I'm only an occasional Office suite user so I
put up with it (plus I'm on a Mac), but I've never been able to convince others to use LO for this
reason alone. And I mostly work with non-profits who, for several reasons, should be avid LO users.
I also realize MSO, with it's market share, stands only to gain from keeping it's formatting a
moving target. With that in mind, I just can't imagine how a project like LO could hope to keep
up and make inroads.
Wish I could help with making it work better, but I know nothing about contributing to development.
On 11/18/12 7:48 PM, rost52 wrote:
I only can use Virgil's word "I hate to say it" but Virgil is right. File compatibility is very
important in our daily business world where we need to exchange editable files within our company
and also with external partners.
Whenever I need to exchange files with MSO formats, I additionally attach a pdf-file or ask for
pdf-file as reference. This is a reduction of productivity - I am willing to take I, but how many
Although I am aware that it is not an easy task and requires dev work, LibO must achieve more
than a high compatibility with MSO formats. I keep fingers crossed.
On 2012-11-19 07:37, VA wrote:
I hate to say it, but I think in business MS compatibility is THE paramount concern. When I was
working for a large business, I used LibO only for documents I knew I didn't have to share with
others. For anything that had to be used by others, I used MS Office.
I realize that LibO is highly compatible with MS Office, but "highly" often isn't enough. In my
experience there were enough incompatibilities that it just wasn't worth the hassle of trying to
clean up documents sent back and forth between the two office suites.
File format compatibility is far more important than similar user interfaces or command
structures. I would say file compatibility is the primary reason companies keep buying MS Office.
-----Original Message----- From: Pedro
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 5:25 PM
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Which part of that do you not understand?
You are correct that I didn't notice the second option (apologies for that).
I wrongly assumed it was another ooo link
But redirecting a LibreOffice issue to an ooo forum doesn't make any sense.
And this is a LibreOffice issue. So much so that TDF's Director bothered to
answer (unfortunately in German)
There are some translations in the comments.
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