Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?

Yes, I think we both (and I am sure that there are many more) want the same thing: LO being 
successful and known as the best Office package and available also for people who just cannot afford 
to buy an Office package.

I also understand that devs are easier to get for programming new features because this frontier 
work. I can understand this very well because I used to work on frontier work myself for many years.

However, I also learned that things must be made stable. My business now is nothing else but making 
operations stable. Coming from that point of view I only can encourage devs to put in all their 
pride in getting LO branches stable ASAP. I feel good when I get an operation stable and a dev can 
feel the same way. It might even be harder to get bugs out because it must first be understood what 
causes the bug.

If I would learn about a dev who removed a bug I reported, I thank him personally! (If there is a 
list where I can see it, I appreciate a lot information on where such a list is published on the web.)

I can not contribute more than bug reporting. I do this for all bugs I find and which I can document 
somehow. It takes me a lot of time - a loss in my productivity - but I am willing to do so. My small 
contribution to the LO project which I like. Currently I only can do this for my production version 
(3.5.6.2). But I would actually like to run 2 versions on my PC: a stable one with almost no bugs, 
and a newer one with new features and bugs. (This idea was expressed already by Tom, anne-ology and 
maybe some other as well.) By doing so I can use time for searching bugs in the newer version, and 
when I am very busy (= I need a high productivity) I can just use the stable version. For me such a 
possibility would push the LO project forward at very high speed.

The success of SW is a combination of features and stability (= productivity increase). This means 
the right balance is needed. The right balance of dev power for new feature compared to dev power to 
fix bugs is the trick task which need to be done.



On 17.10.2012 18:51, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)
> I think we both want the same thing.  The question is how to get it.
>
> 1.  How to encourage new devs to join?  At the moment we show LO as an exciting projects for devs 
> to get involved with and quickly see the results of their work getting out there into the real 
> world.  As a result they are likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that 
> might have cropped up.
>
> 2.  We need a "stable branch" where new stuff never gets added, just fixes back-ported from the 
> newer, more exciting branch.
>
> That is pretty much what we have already.  By the time the newer branch reaches around .4 then it's 
> usually stable enough for everyone = about as stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with 
> better compatibility with non-native formats and some interesting things.
>
> If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we might be able to help 
> them push that stability in earlier.  We might start finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the 
> one stable enough to migrate our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of 
> having to wait for the .4.
>
> It's on us more than the devs.  They are working hard and need our support rather than our 
> criticism.  Do we want to push devs away unless they only get involved with boring dry stuff and no 
> reward, no chance of showing off prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there?
>
> I like people in here too.  I also enjoy arguing with people i like and respect that have a good 
> point of view and a good way of looking at the world.  I usually take good points from here and 
> then argue in favour of them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here.
>
> We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just not possible when you 
> have more than a handful of computers to maintain or have limited download, or ....  Well, tons of 
> valid reasons
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf <reinhold@stapf-online.com> wrote:
>
> From: Dr. R. O Stapf <reinhold@stapf-online.com>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
> To: "Tom Davies" <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:42
>
> It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and
>      this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an F1 car without
>      considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine
>      when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I
>      spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity
>      time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people
>      here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs are working on new 
> functions and how many
>      on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the
>      ratio of devs working on bugs.Do we want it or not we are compared against MSO. But in MSO we
>      don't know the bugs.... MS neglects them.On 17.10.2012 17:07, Tom Davies wrote:
> Hi :)Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs
>                that are interested in adding new functionality.There
>                are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort
>                of excitement.We could build-up a strong core of devs
>                that focus only on fixing things that already exist.Get
>                rid of any that have too much imagination.We could watch and wait while other Office 
> Suites develop
>                new functionality and then try to catch up and try to
>                write code to do the same thing but without the code
>                looking too similar.They would set the format and the
>                way things should look and we just try to copy exactly
>                without looking too similar.Let our competitors do the driving and just gradually 
> fall
>                further and further back?!!??Alternatively we could try to help all our devs by test
>                driving the new branch asap.Seek out 'bugs' or anything
>                vaguely wonky.Post bug reports.Find work-arounds.Fall back on the more stable 
> release from the older branch
>                (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when
>                we need to meet deadlines.The question is do we want LO to fall behind and become
>                increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out
>                into the world?Do we want LO to keep going in the future
>                or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO
>                one day?Regards fromTom :)--- OnWed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O 
> Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:From: Dr. R. O Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comSubject: Re: 
> [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not
>                  working?To:users@global.libreoffice.orgDate: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 8:44On 
> 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words 
> -- I
>                    have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts
>                    (devs) since January:they must take a brake in developing and take a
>                    certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of
>                    the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs
>                    and inconsistencies both in programming and the
>                    instructions and especially the LibO-Help.Every feature shall have a clear 
> explanation and
>                    a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily
>                    understood by any average non-expert user.I cannot agree more.I started with 
> 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some
>                    problems disappearing in3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I
>                    am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7.I hope the dev-team listens to Pertti's 
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