Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?

Just tried it with DOC. It works.

It truly is ironic. I've always like RTF precisely because of its relatively 
wide compatibility.

It seems as if RTF has been rendered obsolete and irrelevant.

Virgil

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tom Davies
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:12 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?

Hi :)
Probably best off using Doc in Atlantis.  Doc seems to have more chance of 
being displayed at least nearly correctly in a greater range of different 
programs.  I think it's likely that Odt will begin to replace that within a 
few  years.

Again, Doc was created by MS but NOT as a format to increase compatibility 
between programs!  Ooooh the irony.
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA <cuyfalls@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: VA <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 22:45

Okay, the RTF issue just got weirder.

My original RTF file was created in Atlantis, which uses RTF as its default 
format. Again, the file loaded properly in AOO and Lotus Symphony, but not 
LO.

On a lark, I loaded the file into Word, made a change, and then resaved it. 
In that way, Word replaced all the Atlantis RTF code with its own. (Every 
word processor saves RTF files somewhat differently depending on its own 
unique sent of features.) I then loaded the file into LO and it looked 
perfect.

So, there is some communication gap between the way Atlantis saves RTF files 
and the way LO reads them.

Curiouser and curiouser.

Virgil

-----Original Message----- From: VA
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:16 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?

Thanks for the "Board-discuss" tip. I'll check it out. Actually, I was just
responding to your earlier post about features vs. stability. Didn't mean to
abuse the user list.

I just tried renaming the user profile. It didn't fix the RTF issue. I
checked Bugzilla and found a whole host of RTF import bugs reported, so my
guess is that there is some issue there. It's not a huge issue for me, so
I'm not going to worry too much about it.

Virgil



-----Original Message----- From: Tom Davies
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 4:50 PM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org ; VA
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?

Hi :)
Board-discuss might be a better place to post this sort of thing.
Copy&paste is good.

Ubuntu are extending their LTS (Long Term Support) from 2 years to 4 or even
5.  Apparently it's impossible to set-up LO for even 1 years worth.

The Rtf issues sounds weird.  Have you tried renaming your User Profile?
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/UserProfile
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 17/10/12, VA <cuyfalls@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: VA <cuyfalls@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 20:06

As a user (and by no means a developer), I'm constantly doing battle with
the features vs. stability issue. I agree that new features need to be
pursued to keep LO competitive. I also agree, however, that LO is
full-featured enough that users are justified in expecting a stable program.
There's nothing more frustrating than finding that the program just won't
complete a task because of some bug.

As writing is my thing, I currently have five word processors installed on
my Windows computer. I use them all at various times due to inconsistencies
in either features or stability. I would like to simply commit to one
program, but no matter which direction I go, I run into either a lacking but
necessary feature or an unstable feature that simply doesn't work. For
example, I use the following:

Atlantis (shareware, $35.00 registration) -- Extremely stable, but lacking
features I often need (PDF export, tables, etc.). However, it has a very
clean  interface and the best e-book exportation that I've seen anywhere.
The Atlantis folks are slow to publish upgrades, but when they do, they are
relatively bug-free and accompanied by very detailed instructions on how to
use new features.

Microsoft Word Starter -- Came with my laptop OS. I only use it when I need
100% Word compatibility.

Lotus Symphony -- Lacking in many, many features, but one I really like is
the tabbed interface, a feature I wish LO would adopt.

LibreOffice 3.5.6.2 -- Overall, it works well, but I discovered this morning
that, if I try to open an RTF file, every line in the entire file is
centered and I lose all paragraph breaks. I end up with one, centered
paragraph. When I open the same file in Apache OpenOffice or Lotus Symphony,
it loads perfectly. I have no idea if this is a bug in LO or a setting issue
or a problem with my computer. But, until I figure it out, I need to use
another option when loading RTF files. This type of continuously having to
chase down solutions to weird problems is frustrating. Thus user list makes
life a lot easier.

Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 -- I've noticed that AOO seems to hyphenate my
English(USA) words at the wrong locations. I haven't had that problem with
LO, but I don't know why. So, if I want to open an RTF file, I need to use
AOO, but if I want to edit that file and hyphenate it, I need to load it
into LO, after first saving it in AOO to ODT format.

This is the type of juggling act we users end up doing as we bounce from one
program to the next trying to find the features we need and avoid the bugs
that bog us down.

I don't envy open source developers. They do a seemingly thankless job, and
I often wonder what keeps them motivated, other than an apparent shared
disdain for MS. However, I deeply appreciate all they do in their attempt to
make LO the best program available, in terms of both features AND stability.

Virgil


-----Original Message----- From: Tom Davies
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 5:51 AM
To: Dr. R. O Stapf
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?

Hi :)
I think we both want the same thing.  The question is how to get it.

1.  How to encourage new devs to join?  At the moment we show LO as an
exciting projects for devs to get involved with and quickly see the results
of their work getting out there into the real world.  As a result they are
likely to get into fixing any unexpected problems or side-issues that might
have cropped up.

2.  We need a "stable branch" where new stuff never gets added, just fixes
back-ported from the newer, more exciting branch.

That is pretty much what we have already.  By the time the newer branch
reaches around .4 then it's usually stable enough for everyone = about as
stable as the .6 or .7 of the older branch but with better compatibility
with non-native formats and some interesting things.

If some of us helped the devs more by posting bug-reports earlier then we
might be able to help them push that stability in earlier.  We might start
finding the 3. or even the .2 starts to be the one stable enough to migrate
our colleagues and co-workers to as well as ourselves instead of having to
wait for the .4.

It's on us more than the devs.  They are working hard and need our support
rather than our criticism.  Do we want to push devs away unless they only
get involved with boring dry stuff and no reward, no chance of showing off
prowess, no chance of getting recognition out there?

I like people in here too.  I also enjoy arguing with people i like and
respect that have a good point of view and a good way of looking at the
world.  I usually take good points from here and then argue in favour of
them on the marketing list because you have very valid points here.

We do need an LTS because these frequent upgrades and uncertainty are just
not possible when you have more than a handful of computers to maintain or
have limited download, or ....  Well, tons of valid reasons
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On Wed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O Stapf <reinhold@stapf-online.com> wrote:

From: Dr. R. O Stapf <reinhold@stapf-online.com>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for Search not working?
To: "Tom Davies" <tomdavies04@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Wednesday, 17 October, 2012, 9:42

It's not falling behind in development. It's about stability and
 this means productivity.It's like placing an always stronger engine in an
F1 car without
 considering to get the power on the road. What means the best engine
 when the suspension is not strong enough. With other words I feel I
 spent a lot of time in this forum which are reducing my productivity
 time. I don't mind being in the forum because there are nice people
 here and I like to read the various opinions.)I don't know how many devs
are working on new functions and how many
 on bug fixes. It would just be good to change for a certain time the
 ratio of devs working on bugs.Do we want it or not we are compared
against MSO. But in MSO we
 don't know the bugs.... MS neglects them.On 17.10.2012 17:07, Tom Davies
wrote:
Hi :)Ok, so we should just get rid of or push away any devs
           that are interested in adding new functionality.There
           are a lot of other projects they could go to for that sort
           of excitement.We could build-up a strong core of devs
           that focus only on fixing things that already exist.Get
           rid of any that have too much imagination.We could watch and
wait while other Office Suites develop
           new functionality and then try to catch up and try to
           write code to do the same thing but without the code
           looking too similar.They would set the format and the
           way things should look and we just try to copy exactly
           without looking too similar.Let our competitors do the driving
and just gradually fall
           further and further back?!!??Alternatively we could try to help
all our devs by test
           driving the new branch asap.Seek out 'bugs' or anything
           vaguely wonky.Post bug reports.Find work-arounds.Fall back on
the more stable release from the older branch
           (we can have 2 versions installed at once right?) for when
           we need to meet deadlines.The question is do we want LO to fall
behind and become
           increasingly irrelevant or are we ready to help push out
           into the world?Do we want LO to keep going in the future
           or are we happy to be forced into switching back to MSO
           one day?Regards fromTom :)--- OnWed, 17/10/12, Dr. R. O
Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comwrote:From: Dr. R. O
Stapfreinhold@stapf-online.comSubject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Indexing for
Search not
             working?To:users@global.libreoffice.orgDate: Wednesday, 17
October, 2012, 8:44On 17.10.2012 16:07, Pertti Rnnberg wrote:BRAVO
Anne-Ology!!Exactly that message - only in other words -- I
               have repeatedly tried to tell to the LibO-experts
               (devs) since January:they must take a brake in developing
and take a
               certain version (e.g. 3.4.xx) and make every module of
               the suite - Base included - absolutely free of bugs
               and inconsistencies both in programming and the
               instructions and especially the LibO-Help.Every feature
shall have a clear explanation and
               a detailed guiding how-to in the LibO-Help -- easily
               understood by any average non-expert user.I cannot agree
more.I started with 3.5.4 a few month ago and saw some
               problems disappearing in3.5.5 and 3.5.6. Currently I
               am hesitating to upgrade to 3.5.7.I hope the dev-team
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