Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

       exactly;
           and well expressed.



On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, Bjørn K Nilssen <bk@bknilssen.no> wrote:

På Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:31:07 +0200, skrev Florian Effenberger <
> floeff@documentfoundation.org**>:
>
>
>  Hello,
> > this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed
> > (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).
> >
> > So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other
> > words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were
> > automatically sent directly to the list.
>
> Which is the whole idea of a mailing list IMO.
>
>
>
>  In the past, this lead to two major problems:
> > 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list,
> > where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case
> > where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of
> > worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit
> > "reply" and thought it would reply to the sender only.
>
> That some people send private mail in public can't be a good argument to
> stop/hamper the flow on a miling list - surely?
>
>
>  2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working
> > with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of
> > reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to
> > the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to
> > spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others.
> > While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find
> > out...
> >
> > Therefore, I have applied a change:
> >
> > Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You
> > either need to use the "reply to all" feature of your e-mail program, or -
> > preferably - the "reply to list"/"reply to group" feature, which will
> > direct replies directly to the list.
> >
> > This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default
> > setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel
> > here. Those seeking for details should have a look at
> > http://www.unicom.com/pw/**reply-to-harmful.html<http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>
>
> I checked every single one of my 52 current mailing lists, and not one
> single one of them follows that rule (except this one). One of them used
> the senders email + the list email in the Reply-To field, but that's it.
> And that list isn't really for discussing, but just for one-way information.
>
> I'd like to see some statistics that shows that 'most mailing lists' does
> not put the list address in the Reply-To field ?
>
> And where is the RFC?
>
> And the poll?
> Looks like most people wants to get it back to how it was, which is how
> all my other 51 lists still are?
> Using the 'Reply to all' option is not a good idea at all IMO.
>
>
>  I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the
> > outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I
> > am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your
> > understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable
> > with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are
> > unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two,
> > even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually
> > exclusive to each other.
> >
> > In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and
> > again, I beg for your understanding.
> >
> > Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the
> > community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is
> > to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not.
> > Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately
> > switch back to the old behaviour.
> >
> > Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm
> > somehow sitting between two chairs here.
> >
> > Florian
>
> --
> Bjørn K Nilssen

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