Re: [libreoffice-users] Reply settings on this list have changed

På Sun, 12 Aug 2012 18:31:07 +0200, skrev Florian Effenberger  
<floeff@documentfoundation.org>:

> Hello,
>
> this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed  
> (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).
>
> So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other  
> words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were  
> automatically sent directly to the list.

Which is the whole idea of a mailing list IMO.


> In the past, this lead to two major problems:
>
> 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list,  
> where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case  
> where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of  
> worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people  
> hit "reply" and thought it would reply to the sender only.

That some people send private mail in public can't be a good argument to  
stop/hamper the flow on a miling list - surely?

> 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working  
> with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because  
> of reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also  
> led to the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who  
> needed to spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden  
> with others. While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just  
> one way to find out...
>
> Therefore, I have applied a change:
>
> Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You  
> either need to use the "reply to all" feature of your e-mail program, or  
> - preferably - the "reply to list"/"reply to group" feature, which will  
> direct replies directly to the list.
>
> This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default  
> setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel  
> here. Those seeking for details should have a look at  
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

I checked every single one of my 52 current mailing lists, and not one  
single one of them follows that rule (except this one). One of them used  
the senders email + the list email in the Reply-To field, but that's it.  
And that list isn't really for discussing, but just for one-way  
information.

I'd like to see some statistics that shows that 'most mailing lists' does  
not put the list address in the Reply-To field ?

And where is the RFC?

And the poll?
Looks like most people wants to get it back to how it was, which is how  
all my other 51 lists still are?
Using the 'Reply to all' option is not a good idea at all IMO.

> I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the  
> outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it,  
> so I am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your  
> understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable  
> with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists  
> are unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those  
> two, even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are  
> mutually exclusive to each other.
>
> In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and  
> again, I beg for your understanding.
>
> Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the  
> community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you  
> is to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or  
> not. Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will  
> immediately switch back to the old behaviour.
>
> Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm  
> somehow sitting between two chairs here.
>
> Florian


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