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Following Microsoft never was a good idea.
Until the mobile phone revolution, MS applied horde-control for their
Now the horde goes largely their own way. Only western governments stay

Email is a fading out technology and is most of the time replaced by
smartphone based solutions.
That is why we should consider integrating and be part of the
horde rather than joining the lagging behind.
That way we hook in all the functionality of meeting, chatting, etc.
All open source, free and privacy secure.

Met vriendelijke groet,
With kind regards,
Boudi van Vlijmen.

*Because email is an old and insecure first generation internet protocol we
will, **in time,  stop** to use email. If you want to contact us and are
not known with us, you can use the web contact form
If you are known with us you can use our signal account
<> or* RCS
<> *to chat, or we
share an cloud environment.*
Omdat e-mail een oud en onveilig internetprotocol van de eerste generatie
is, zullen we op termijn stoppen met het gebruik van e-mail. Als u contact
met ons wilt opnemen en niet bij ons bekend bent, kunt u het
gebruiken. Als u bij ons bekend bent, kunt u ons signal
<>-account of RCS
<> gebruiken om te
chatten, of we delen een uitwisseling omgeving.

Op ma 27 dec. 2021 om 22:12 schreef James Harking <>:

Hi all,

I just responded to a question on the LibreOffice reddit thread regarding
if LibreOffice needs a Outlook like application.

It appears that the vast majority of responders think it does, however
that's not my point. I'll paste what I wrote there. Maybe you guys have
some thoughts?




The short answer is of course it should, it has for 10 years and Open
Office did before it. But needing something and having the resources to do
that are not the same things.LibeOffice does not compete with Microsoft
Office, only Writer, Calc and arguably Impress are comparable to their

There is not a replacement for OneNote and Teams which are the growth
applications for Microsoft. Arguably the rest are in 'maintenance mode' as
they are very mature by now. Office suites are moving to the cloud in the
mid term, desktop clients are still very important but their importance
will start to wain eventually. Next cloud see this hence why they have the
collaboration with Collabora.

What the FLOSS Office space needs is a strong and focused working group
between applications that could help to fill the void that LibreOffice is
lacking compared to Microsoft Office such as Project Libre (Project),
Betterbird (Outlook) possibly Joplin (One Note). Goals should be agreed for
closer integration and cross promotion be emphasised.

The sum of these individual projects will be larger than that of any
individual project going its own way. I believe that there is something
similar for the 'art' applications like GIMP, Scribus, Inkscape and Krita
with an annual conference that takes place.

This is missing from what I can tell for the productivity space. I have
posted this previously on the LibreOffice marketing mailing list.

If you are a management consultant it is easy to choose Microsoft because
it is all so integrated and the cost is not necessarily a hindrance in most
cases. But choosing LibreOffice forces you to look at supporting apps and
there appears to be little focus on providing an integrated solution and
that's the issue.

To successfully compete with Microsoft and their huge resources cross
project collaboration is essential or else everyone will 'pull' in their
own way and each individual project will remain as niche as it is currently
when there is so much opportunity to really go out there and compete on not
price but user freedom and privacy which are so topical for the space
LibreOffice et al are competing in.

On Mon, 27 Dec 2021, 18:09 Filipe Gomes Morgado, <> wrote:

Paolo, thank you for focusing on this EU "angle", and to all the others
so many and so rich interventions, IMO (y).

Portugal, as far as I know, and just to give easily observed data -
information/intel -, has been working in the area of interoperability,
since June 21, 2011.

On November 8, 2012, with ODF 1.1.

On January 5, 2018, with ODF 1.2.

IMO this means that, under normal conditions, interoperability would be
issue for microsoft to worry about, and discuss within itself, and not
the L.O.
Because people deal with each other and with companies, and everyone
with government institutions.

So, whoever, like me, wants to "fight" for the L.O., first or at the same
time, will have to "fight" against the EU, Germany(von der leyen, team),
your own national or local government, ...
Where some of you can say: We have been there, done that, and even have
T-shirts to prove it :) .

On the other hand, some time ago, I saw the Board of Directors election
videos, 2021, and they talked about lobbying in the EU, costs, etc...

Bearing in mind the topic, and for the "How we are different" table, I
think it may or may not be relevant - in normal conditions - to mention
something along the lines of:
- Libreoffice is in line with European law and directives blah blah blah,
for blah blah blah, on open software and interoperability blah blah
blah, according to the European directive blah blah blah ...

Note: For private users using microsoft. Private scientific and research
data has to deal with government institutions, like all the others, and
they will have to solve their interoperability problems. Ask microsoft
:) .

Filipe Gomes Morgado *is using:*

On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 at 20:29, Paolo Debortoli <


Hi.  there is another legal  EU issue  (inside the European Union),
is important.   Please understand that I can mention but not explain
because I am not an expert in this field.

Eu has made since years open data  (definition:
for public administrations.  I think the last version is directive UE
2019/1024.   so, imnteroperability and availability are not only
comfortable, but mandatory.

this should be also for scientific and research data.

so, I guess,  proprietary data format are not suited for this purpose.


On Sunday, December 26, 2021, 07:56:00 PM GMT+1, Ravi Dwivedi <> wrote:

On 26/12/21 6:26 pm, Italo Vignoli wrote:
MS Office documents carry 80% of all malware because they are
intentionally complex, in order to perpetuate user lock-in (the more
complex the document, the lower the chances that third party software
such as LibreOffice is able to interoperate). The hidden complexity
strictly related to the way OOXML - MS Office pseudo-standard format
has been intentionally developed. So, this means that switching from
OOXML to ODF - LibreOffice standard document format - would reduce
security issues by a significant percentage.

This one is an interesting point. I would like to read more about it.

Italo, can you please send some article(s) on it? or we can write one

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